[Archers] Ymir & Archery

Sat Jan 26 12:15:17 PST 2013

It is in this kingdom as well. Sir Otto did mention this at Unevent this
year and I know he is working on it. How long it will take before it is
implemented is anyone's guess? I did talk with him at Unevent because I
asked him to please make sure he and his crew involve us for any Archery
related items and not just assume anything. Only time will tell here. I
would caution our marshal's to assure that you fully understand the other
disciplines prior to accepting an MIC position of a multi discipline event,
especially important ones where position might be won among the other
martial activities. I like Godai am also a heavy and understand the heavy
rules but I know very little about rapier and would not be comfortable
marshaling a rapier event. I would hope to have marshal's that are willing
to do that, but if something were to happen you as the MIC of the overall
event would need to be able to decide and perform. I'm all in favor of a
program of this sort much like COG describes for those who want to continue
being MIC's.

Janyn

From: archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
[mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Andrew
Johnson
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 2:56 PM
To: archers at atlantia.sca.org
Subject: Re: [Archers] Ymir & Archery

I know in some kingdoms a movement is under way to, as someone already
suggested, create a sort of "MIC testing process" or even requiring anyone
that aspires to be MIC for large events to have more than one marshalet
under their belt.

Andres

On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Ivarr <thaduck at earthlink.net> wrote:

I also believe that if you are going to be MIC of an event, you need to  be
versed in all the disciplines that are going to be there. If not you should
get with the marshals and go over their rules to get an understanding.

I am currently a Rapier Marshal and an Archery Marshal  in the Barony of
Marinus.I have also taken the classes for heavy , CA, and Seage.

 I have also planned and run the Atlatl battles at Pennsic with no problems
of trust from the MIC of Pennsic.  If the MIC from

another kingdom can trust someone from out of his own then we have a real
problem if our MIC's cannot trust their kingdom  marshals. 

Ivarr

-----Original Message----- 
From: Gordon Kinnie 
Sent: Jan 26, 2013 12:49 PM 
To: 'John Atkins' , 'Jay Nardone' 
Cc: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org, 'Martha Fletcher' 
Subject: Re: [Archers] Ymir & Archery 

I believe that Otto had said something about this at Unevent, basically a
separate qualification for MIC's. Janyn and I both thought it would be a
good idea and is something that would benefit the Kingdom.

As a marshal, I have attended the Armored 101, Armored 201, Siege 101 and of
course Archery 101 and Combat Archery 101 classes. 

Having a working knowledge of all SCA marshal activities will just makes us
a better marshal and should be required for MIC.

I sent Gaston, the MIC at Yimr, a polite message suggesting that he read the
rules for all marshal activities and included the link to the Archery
Handbook as a bonus.

Godai 

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From: archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
[mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of John Atkins
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 12:02 PM
To: Jay Nardone
Cc: ; Martha Fletcher
Subject: Re: [Archers] Ymir & Archery

OK a proposal/subject I brought up to Janyn privately but do here now in the
hopes that our numbers, and those among us with more horsepower in this
club, may actually get implemented. I suggest 2 levels of marshal warrant.
Level 1 is a warrant in one activity be it heavy, rapier or archery,
whatever else. Level 2 is a warrant in an activity BUT the individual has
attended marshal classes for heavy, equestrian and archery. These 3 as
heavy would include specifics for rapier. Archery as it would include
thrown weapons. And equestrian just 'cuz they are so different. A level 2
warrant would mean that individual is at least familiar with the specific
needs of all activities that may occur at an event. Therefore only a level
2 warranted individual could MIC an event. Yes, it adds a layer to the
marshal program. And yes, not everyone will want to go through the process.
But it would get rid of these marshals with 15 years MIC experience who no
nothing about anything that does not occur on the heavy battle field. And
in my opinion ANY MIC of this nature is a major liability in and of
themselves!

Cog
Sent from my iPad

On Jan 26, 2013, at 11:17 AM, "Jay Nardone" wrote:

Mistress Martelle, you captured my point exactly. This is what really got me
among the other silliness. It doesn't have to be Archery it could have been
rapier, brewing, etc. I just cant get my head around how one person can
derail a complete Marshallate, I just don't see the effectiveness of that? I
understand I am a cheerleader for archery, but since I approve or disapprove
all warrants in our discipline, how do I get pushed aside when that decision
needs to be made? Can you spell dysfunctional?

I applaud everyone's passion, it is the reason I enjoy archery as much as I
do in this Kingdom. You are all true friends and we will not be divided by
foolish things!

Janyn

From: archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
[mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Martha
Fletcher
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 9:20 AM
To: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: [Archers] Ymir & Archery

40+ paying slots is a big block to disinfranchise. 

If he's such an experienced MIC, as he claims, he damn well SHOULD be
experienced with the archery community by now. 

Marshall-In-Charge means just that, you are in charge and the buck stops at
you if anyone has an issue and you had BETTER have answers about any
marshall activity at the event you are in charge of. Relying so heavily on
the marshalls that you won't have an activity because you don't trust many
people to run them is a problem in your supervisory skills. MIC's don't have
to know everything but they should know a lot.

Telling the Kingdom DEM, no thank you I don't trust you or anyone you may
suggest to me to run an archery range either, is a problem.

yours,
Martelle 

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