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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It is in this kingdom as well. Sir Otto did mention this at Unevent this year and I know he is working on it. How long it will take before it is implemented is anyone’s guess? I did talk with him at Unevent because I asked him to please make sure he and his crew involve us for any Archery related items and not just assume anything. Only time will tell here. I would caution our marshal’s to assure that you fully understand the other disciplines prior to accepting an MIC position of a multi discipline event, especially important ones where position might be won among the other martial activities. I like Godai am also a heavy and understand the heavy rules but I know very little about rapier and would not be comfortable marshaling a rapier event. I would hope to have marshal’s that are willing to do that, but if something were to happen you as the MIC of the overall event would need to be able to decide and perform. I’m all in favor of a program of this sort much like COG describes for those who want to continue being MIC’s…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Janyn<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org [mailto:archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew Johnson<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 26, 2013 2:56 PM<br><b>To:</b> archers@atlantia.sca.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Archers] Ymir & Archery<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I know in some kingdoms a movement is under way to, as someone already suggested, create a sort of "MIC testing process" or even requiring anyone that aspires to be MIC for large events to have more than one marshalet under their belt.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Andres<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Ivarr <<a href="mailto:thaduck@earthlink.net" target="_blank">thaduck@earthlink.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I also believe that if you are going to be MIC of an event, you need to be versed in all the disciplines that are going to be there. If not you should get with the marshals and go over their rules to get an understanding.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I am currently a Rapier Marshal and an Archery Marshal in the Barony of Marinus.I have also taken the classes for heavy , CA, and Seage.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> I have also planned and run the Atlatl battles at Pennsic with no problems of trust from the MIC of Pennsic. If the MIC from<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>another kingdom can trust someone from out of his own then we have a real problem if our MIC's cannot trust their kingdom marshals. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Ivarr<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><br> <o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:0in;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>-----Original Message----- <br>From: Gordon Kinnie <br>Sent: Jan 26, 2013 12:49 PM <br>To: 'John Atkins' , 'Jay Nardone' <br>Cc: <a href="mailto:archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" target="_blank">archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a>, 'Martha Fletcher' <br>Subject: Re: [Archers] Ymir & Archery <br><br>I believe that Otto had said something about this at Unevent, basically a<br>separate qualification for MIC's. Janyn and I both thought it would be a<br>good idea and is something that would benefit the Kingdom.<br><br><br><br>As a marshal, I have attended the Armored 101, Armored 201, Siege 101 and of<br>course Archery 101 and Combat Archery 101 classes. <br><br>Having a working knowledge of all SCA marshal activities will just makes us<br>a better marshal and should be required for MIC.<br><br><br><br>I sent Gaston, the MIC at Yimr, a polite message suggesting that he read the<br>rules for all marshal activities and included the link to the Archery<br>Handbook as a bonus.<br><br><br><br>Godai <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>_____ <br><br>From: <a href="mailto:archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" target="_blank">archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a><br>[mailto:<a href="mailto:archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" target="_blank">archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a>] On Behalf Of John Atkins<br>Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 12:02 PM<br>To: Jay Nardone<br>Cc: ; Martha Fletcher<br>Subject: Re: [Archers] Ymir & Archery<br><br><br><br>OK a proposal/subject I brought up to Janyn privately but do here now in the<br>hopes that our numbers, and those among us with more horsepower in this<br>club, may actually get implemented. I suggest 2 levels of marshal warrant.<br>Level 1 is a warrant in one activity be it heavy, rapier or archery,<br>whatever else. Level 2 is a warrant in an activity BUT the individual has<br>attended marshal classes for heavy, equestrian and archery. These 3 as<br>heavy would include specifics for rapier. Archery as it would include<br>thrown weapons. And equestrian just 'cuz they are so different. A level 2<br>warrant would mean that individual is at least familiar with the specific<br>needs of all activities that may occur at an event. Therefore only a level<br>2 warranted individual could MIC an event. Yes, it adds a layer to the<br>marshal program. And yes, not everyone will want to go through the process.<br>But it would get rid of these marshals with 15 years MIC experience who no<br>nothing about anything that does not occur on the heavy battle field. And<br>in my opinion ANY MIC of this nature is a major liability in and of<br>themselves!<br><br><br><br>Cog<br>Sent from my iPad<br><br><br>On Jan 26, 2013, at 11:17 AM, "Jay Nardone" wrote:<br><br>Mistress Martelle, you captured my point exactly. This is what really got me<br>among the other silliness. It doesn't have to be Archery it could have been<br>rapier, brewing, etc. I just cant get my head around how one person can<br>derail a complete Marshallate, I just don't see the effectiveness of that? I<br>understand I am a cheerleader for archery, but since I approve or disapprove<br>all warrants in our discipline, how do I get pushed aside when that decision<br>needs to be made? Can you spell dysfunctional?<br><br><br><br>I applaud everyone's passion, it is the reason I enjoy archery as much as I<br>do in this Kingdom. You are all true friends and we will not be divided by<br>foolish things!<br><br><br><br>Janyn<br><br><br><br><br><br>From: <a href="mailto:archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" target="_blank">archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a><br>[mailto:<a href="mailto:archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" target="_blank">archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a>] On Behalf Of Martha<br>Fletcher<br>Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 9:20 AM<br>To: <a href="mailto:archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" target="_blank">archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a><br>Subject: [Archers] Ymir & Archery<br><br><br><br>40+ paying slots is a big block to disinfranchise. <br><br>If he's such an experienced MIC, as he claims, he damn well SHOULD be<br>experienced with the archery community by now. <br><br>Marshall-In-Charge means just that, you are in charge and the buck stops at<br>you if anyone has an issue and you had BETTER have answers about any<br>marshall activity at the event you are in charge of. Relying so heavily on<br>the marshalls that you won't have an activity because you don't trust many<br>people to run them is a problem in your supervisory skills. MIC's don't have<br>to know everything but they should know a lot.<br><br>Telling the Kingdom DEM, no thank you I don't trust you or anyone you may<br>suggest to me to run an archery range either, is a problem.<br><br>yours,<br>Martelle <br><br><br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Archers mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" target="_blank">Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a><br><a href="http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/listinfo.cgi/archers-atlantia.sca.org" target="_blank">http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/listinfo.cgi/archers-atlantia.sca.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Archers mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a><br><a href="http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/listinfo.cgi/archers-atlantia.sca.org" target="_blank">http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/listinfo.cgi/archers-atlantia.sca.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>