[Archers] Atl-atl discussion and rules

[Jonathas]

I have a 122 made up as Siegfried suggested. A 4x8 sheet of foam cut in
half, doubled up, and the target taped on.  I will gladly bring it to the
Lochmere Arrow shoot if some of the atlatl throwers (and some of the new
throwers) would like to give it a try.

(Someone please remind me of this when we get closer!)

Jonathas
On Aug 6, 2013 6:45 PM, "Jay Nardone" <jaynardone at comcast.net> wrote:

> Okay good discussions, let's keep them going. So it sounds like we need to
> come to agreement on the target size between the 80 and 122. Again Im not
> interesting in making it so hard that it runs folks off or so easy it isn't
> fun. I know we in Bright Hills could accommodate the 80cm with the current
> butts we have, as Master Siegfried said the 122's would take some effort to
> accommodate but Im liking the increased chances for beginners. I know again
> as a beginner they won't make much difference for me. :)
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> [mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Siegfried
> Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 5:59 PM
> To: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> Subject: Re: [Archers] Atl-atl discussion and rules
>
> Reyne, let me give a couple counter-thoughts (as an atlatl-thrower, but not
> 'seasoned')
>
> >    An 80cm target face (thanks,
> > Siegfried) should be fine.
>
> The bigger problem I see with this (though otherwise fine idea).  Is that
> it's going to be a bit harder to handle an 80cm.  80cm on the ground, looks
> small, and hurts people's backs ;)  You'd ideally want an 80cm to be
> elevated.  But our 'usual' stands and butts won't hold a target the size of
> an 80cm.
>
> >  Having shot at a 120cm target, I can tell you, it's huge, and people
> > might have trouble accommodating it.
>
> Other than transportation (truck needed for back), it's actually easier,
> IMO, to create a quick butt for a 122cm, and plop it on the ground.  And
> the
> size of it is designed to really 'sit on the ground' anyway.
>
> So, my counter-thought is:  Given the two options, the 80cm will take some
> effort in creating custom holders/stands/butts to accomodate.  But the
> 122cm
> is easy to throw foam behind and stick on the ground.  So actually, the 122
> is 'easier'  (In a weird way, I grant you)
>
> >  It'd be
> > a whole lot easier to hit, certainly, but is that really the purpose
> > of a RR?
>
> Yes.  In a way.  The purpose of a RR, is to be able to gauge your skill,
> and
> gauge your continual improvement of the skill.
>
> To that end, it doesn't behoove us to have a set of rules/equipment, that
> encourage, for example, scores of '0'.  With a bow, at 20yards, and a days
> worth of training ... an archer can score a non-zero RR.  They now have a
> baseline to watch their growth.
>
> a 122cm target for atl-atl, should provide the same, that a 'days training'
> person can score, a non-0 round.  And then watch their score grow as their
> skill does.
>
> Yet, hopefully never quite reach that pinnicle of the 'perfect score'.
>
> 80cm increases the chance of someone being 'stuck' at 0 for a while, and
> potentially losing hope / frustration rising that they can't 'ever get
> better'.
>
> Siegfried
>
>
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