<p dir="ltr">I have a 122 made up as Siegfried suggested. A 4x8 sheet of foam cut in half, doubled up, and the target taped on. I will gladly bring it to the Lochmere Arrow shoot if some of the atlatl throwers (and some of the new throwers) would like to give it a try.</p>
<p dir="ltr">(Someone please remind me of this when we get closer!)</p>
<p dir="ltr">Jonathas</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Aug 6, 2013 6:45 PM, "Jay Nardone" <<a href="mailto:jaynardone@comcast.net">jaynardone@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Okay good discussions, let's keep them going. So it sounds like we need to<br>
come to agreement on the target size between the 80 and 122. Again Im not<br>
interesting in making it so hard that it runs folks off or so easy it isn't<br>
fun. I know we in Bright Hills could accommodate the 80cm with the current<br>
butts we have, as Master Siegfried said the 122's would take some effort to<br>
accommodate but Im liking the increased chances for beginners. I know again<br>
as a beginner they won't make much difference for me. :)<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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To: <a href="mailto:archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Archers] Atl-atl discussion and rules<br>
<br>
Reyne, let me give a couple counter-thoughts (as an atlatl-thrower, but not<br>
'seasoned')<br>
<br>
> An 80cm target face (thanks,<br>
> Siegfried) should be fine.<br>
<br>
The bigger problem I see with this (though otherwise fine idea). Is that<br>
it's going to be a bit harder to handle an 80cm. 80cm on the ground, looks<br>
small, and hurts people's backs ;) You'd ideally want an 80cm to be<br>
elevated. But our 'usual' stands and butts won't hold a target the size of<br>
an 80cm.<br>
<br>
> Having shot at a 120cm target, I can tell you, it's huge, and people<br>
> might have trouble accommodating it.<br>
<br>
Other than transportation (truck needed for back), it's actually easier,<br>
IMO, to create a quick butt for a 122cm, and plop it on the ground. And the<br>
size of it is designed to really 'sit on the ground' anyway.<br>
<br>
So, my counter-thought is: Given the two options, the 80cm will take some<br>
effort in creating custom holders/stands/butts to accomodate. But the 122cm<br>
is easy to throw foam behind and stick on the ground. So actually, the 122<br>
is 'easier' (In a weird way, I grant you)<br>
<br>
> It'd be<br>
> a whole lot easier to hit, certainly, but is that really the purpose<br>
> of a RR?<br>
<br>
Yes. In a way. The purpose of a RR, is to be able to gauge your skill, and<br>
gauge your continual improvement of the skill.<br>
<br>
To that end, it doesn't behoove us to have a set of rules/equipment, that<br>
encourage, for example, scores of '0'. With a bow, at 20yards, and a days<br>
worth of training ... an archer can score a non-zero RR. They now have a<br>
baseline to watch their growth.<br>
<br>
a 122cm target for atl-atl, should provide the same, that a 'days training'<br>
person can score, a non-0 round. And then watch their score grow as their<br>
skill does.<br>
<br>
Yet, hopefully never quite reach that pinnicle of the 'perfect score'.<br>
<br>
80cm increases the chance of someone being 'stuck' at 0 for a while, and<br>
potentially losing hope / frustration rising that they can't 'ever get<br>
better'.<br>
<br>
Siegfried<br>
<br>
<br>
--<br>
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