[Archers] Atl-atl discussion and rules

[Jay Nardone]

Okay good discussions, let's keep them going. So it sounds like we need to
come to agreement on the target size between the 80 and 122. Again Im not
interesting in making it so hard that it runs folks off or so easy it isn't
fun. I know we in Bright Hills could accommodate the 80cm with the current
butts we have, as Master Siegfried said the 122's would take some effort to
accommodate but Im liking the increased chances for beginners. I know again
as a beginner they won't make much difference for me. :)



-----Original Message-----
From: archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
[mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Siegfried
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 5:59 PM
To: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: Re: [Archers] Atl-atl discussion and rules

Reyne, let me give a couple counter-thoughts (as an atlatl-thrower, but not
'seasoned')

>    An 80cm target face (thanks,
> Siegfried) should be fine.

The bigger problem I see with this (though otherwise fine idea).  Is that
it's going to be a bit harder to handle an 80cm.  80cm on the ground, looks
small, and hurts people's backs ;)  You'd ideally want an 80cm to be
elevated.  But our 'usual' stands and butts won't hold a target the size of
an 80cm.

>  Having shot at a 120cm target, I can tell you, it's huge, and people 
> might have trouble accommodating it.

Other than transportation (truck needed for back), it's actually easier,
IMO, to create a quick butt for a 122cm, and plop it on the ground.  And the
size of it is designed to really 'sit on the ground' anyway.

So, my counter-thought is:  Given the two options, the 80cm will take some
effort in creating custom holders/stands/butts to accomodate.  But the 122cm
is easy to throw foam behind and stick on the ground.  So actually, the 122
is 'easier'  (In a weird way, I grant you)

>  It'd be
> a whole lot easier to hit, certainly, but is that really the purpose 
> of a RR?

Yes.  In a way.  The purpose of a RR, is to be able to gauge your skill, and
gauge your continual improvement of the skill.

To that end, it doesn't behoove us to have a set of rules/equipment, that
encourage, for example, scores of '0'.  With a bow, at 20yards, and a days
worth of training ... an archer can score a non-zero RR.  They now have a
baseline to watch their growth.

a 122cm target for atl-atl, should provide the same, that a 'days training'
person can score, a non-0 round.  And then watch their score grow as their
skill does.

Yet, hopefully never quite reach that pinnicle of the 'perfect score'.

80cm increases the chance of someone being 'stuck' at 0 for a while, and
potentially losing hope / frustration rising that they can't 'ever get
better'.

Siegfried


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