[Archers] Legality of 3Rivers large bodkins

Wed Mar 16 18:25:16 PDT 2011

Greetings All,

I have some of these 3Rivers bodkin points, and while I haven't used them on
arrows yet, I have shot some similar period style bodkin points into a
couple of types of (my own) targets without significant damage, but I have
intentionally avoided other types.  Part of my concern has been the
potential difficulty of removing the arrow from a tightly packed target
material, since the bodkins I was shooting had sockets larger than the
shaft, but that shouldn't be a problem with the 3Rivers points.  I have
found that haybails or target butts made of stacked layers of foam work well
for bodkins.  I have also shot a swallowtail broadhead into a pumpkin, but
that's another story.   

As for using these points in an SCA target shoot , I would leave it to the
discretion of the MiC and the owner of the targets. The risk of damage all
depends on the type of material the target is made of, and how much the
owner of the target cares about reusing it.  If they consider the damage to
their targets acceptable, I don't think we should prohibit it.  The rule
says "No broadheads or tips that cause excessive damage to the targets shall
be used ...." .  As was pointed out, these are not broadheads, and if the
owner of the target considers the damage to be acceptable, then be
definition it is not excessive.  Of course, if the targets happen to be
balloons or clay pigeons, then I would say that no amount of damage would be
excessive. 

I would encourage anyone who would like to use arrows of this type to make
some and bring them to events, as long as they fully understand that they
might not be able to use them at most events, and that they are willing to
accept the decision of the MiC/target owners without argument.

Tnek

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loreleielkins at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 1:06 PM
To: ggg9y at virginia.edu; Archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: Re: [Archers] Legality of 3Rivers large bodkins

My mistake Lord Mungo.  I read your message too quickly, I apologize.  

 I know the points you are talking about and they do indeed damage the
targets.  This might be one of those, "at the discretion of the MiC", since
it is more than likely the MiC's targets which are being shot up.  While I
agree that they are nice for the period look, I wouldn't encourage their
use, just because they can potentially cause so much damage.  Now if we had
some nice period targets to shoot at.....

Anyone else have thoughts on this?

Lorelei

-----Original Message-----
From: Garth G. Groff <ggg9y at virginia.edu>
To: Archers <Archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2011 8:15 am
Subject: Re: [Archers] Legality of 3Rivers large bodkins

Lady Lorelei and friends,

But these are not broadheads, just big bodkins, actually weighing about 180
grains and about 3/8" across. Some archers might think they are legal
because they AREN'T broadheads. If somebody shows up with these on our
range, I am going to take a literal interpretation of the Society rule: "No
broadheads or tips that cause excessive damage to the targets shall be used
...."  3Rivers also sells a smaller version at about 140 grains which I
haven't measured. I think the damage potential would be similar.

If anyone just has to shoot traditional arrows, they can still use the
125-grain Ace faux medieval points or the equivalent that 3Rivers and some
English vendors offer (so-called "mod-bods"). These have always been legal
in Atlantia, AFAIK. I can't see why anybody would want to shoot such heavy
points with our light target bows anyway. Their arrows would drop like a
stone.

Too bad in a way, because those big bodkins are really cool points. I have
them on my 3/8" living history arrows, but those shafts are only for display
and looking cool in my quiver at demonstrations.

Kind regards,

Lord Mungo, Shire of Isenfir TA Marshal

On 3/15/2011 11:48 AM, loreleielkins at aol.com wrote: 

Greetings!  Yes, you nailed it.  Target points should be used on archery
targets.  Target backs can be expensive.  Broadheads are meant to penetrate
flesh, not foam.  :-) 

-----Original Message-----
From: Garth G. Groff  <mailto:ggg9y at virginia.edu> <ggg9y at virginia.edu>
To: Archers  <mailto:Archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
<Archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2011 7:45 am
Subject: [Archers] Legality of 3Rivers large bodkins

Noble friends of the bow,Lorelei

The question was raised in my recent TA Marshal class about the legality 
of the 3Rivers large bodkins. These are very large, and look like they 
might do a lot of damage to a target. Does anyone have any views on 
these, vis-vis the Society rule against broadheads because of their 
potential to rip up a target?

Kind regards,

Lord Mungo Napier, Shire of Isenfir Target Archery Marshal
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