[Ponte Alto] Fwd: Please Read! Another Possible Indoor Site For BaronialActivities

[Max Nelson]

As Iohanna and Perronelle have so wonderfully expressed, I believe  
that is *exactly* the type of integrated community experience we were  
hoping to create by the opportunity -- by bringing the various groups  
in the Barony involved in their various activities and interests  
together more often so that they might engage in their pursuits  
together, rather than separately, and so that we might socialize more  
often as an integrated group.

As Sir Thomas said, it's also an opportunity along the lines of the  
former Picnics in the Park Practices (whose resurrection has also been  
discussed for the Spring), that had "brought out a large diverse group  
to the park which were able to get to know each other and have fun."   
I think getting larger, more diverse groups of us all together for  
some fun more often is a goal we should *seriously* be striving for!!!

Furthermore, I know we have alot of newer fighters in the Barony who  
(in my view) don't nearly get enough exposure to so many of the other  
arts, crafts, skills, and people of the Barony -- and having some of  
those activities going on co-located with the practice would (again,  
in my humble opinion), significantly enhance our ability to introduce  
and interest them in those activities, skills, interests, etc...

Even if some of us are German (not so Italian).  ;)

In Service,

Baron Max Von Halstern

On Dec 22, 2007, at 11:37 AM, L E Storey wrote:

> I would welcome an opportunity to socialize, work on projects, learn
> about others' projects, etc. -- I can imagine other artists in the
> area being interested in "Artisans' Row" on Sundays :-)
>
> Cheers,
> -Iohanna
>
> On Dec 22, 2007 10:59 AM, Irwin <dwatsonirwin at cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Aside from the monetary particulars, I would like to emphasize that  
>> this
>> does not need to be a fighters only thing. As Sir Thomas (and  
>> others) have
>> pointed out it could be a catalyst for other interests in the  
>> Barony to have
>> a place to meet. In my mind I look to it as an opportunity to get  
>> together
>> on a regular basis with all members of the Barony. A way to  
>> socialize, work
>> on projects, plot against our enem..... Well we ARE Italian after  
>> all....
>> :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> YIS,
>>
>> Lady Perronelle la peintre
>> mka Debbie Irwin
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: thrid at aol.com
>> To: ponte-alto at atlantia.sca.org
>>
>>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 9:58 AM
>> Subject: [Ponte Alto] Fwd: Please Read! Another Possible Indoor  
>> Site For
>> BaronialActivities
>>
>> To All,
>>
>> As Max has indicated, A group of the senior fighters and knights have
>> pledged to cover up to half of the cost of the site; therefor the  
>> financial
>> liability to the Barony would be approximately $260 per month.  If  
>> the
>> activity has no traction after two months, we will not continue  
>> with the
>> site.  We are planning to invite fighters from other groups.  Max has
>> indicated he thinks he can get a group from the East to come down  
>> for a
>> practice or two.  As you can see by the names listed in the original
>> posting, we have some commitment to the project.  All of those  
>> people have
>> indicated they will support the venture.  Since yesterday, I have  
>> heard from
>> a few other fighters not listed that they too will support this  
>> activity.
>>
>> The arrangements with the school are. we can use the school on the  
>> weekend;
>> however, we have to pay a janitorial fee of $32 per hour with a  
>> minimum of 4
>> hours.  We are hoping that this site on the weekends might  
>> encourage other
>> interest groups to come out and make use of it.  The site would  
>> work for the
>> fencers, dancing, A&S activities, or general socializing and  
>> recruitment.
>>
>> Actual combat archery and siege weapons clearly will not work  
>> inside the gym
>> (at least without causing great damage); however, the site is  
>> suitable for
>> those interested in siege and combat archery to help plan for  
>> Pennsic and
>> coordinate with the heavy fighter unit. The heavy fighters would  
>> love to
>> coordinate with the siege and archers, help them obtain armor they  
>> may need
>> and plan battle tactics.
>> We as a Barony do not get a chance to get together as a whole group  
>> too
>> often.  Mostly only at monthly business meetings an hour a month  
>> and at a
>> few local events. I liked the picnic in the Park practices we use  
>> to have
>> because it brought out a large diverse group to the park which were  
>> able to
>> get to know each other and have fun.  It is my home this practice  
>> site, for
>> a few months, will be an opportunity for the Barony to interact  
>> during a
>> period of time when the weather would normally have us shut in.
>>
>> Thomas of Calais
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dcadenise at aol.com
>> To: thrid at aol.com
>> Sent: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 9:14 am
>> Subject: Fwd: [Ponte Alto] Please Read! Another Possible Indoor  
>> Site For
>> BaronialActivities
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Max Nelson <maxntropy at worldnet.att.net>
>> To: The Barony of Ponte Alto <ponte-alto at atlantia.sca.org>
>> Sent: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 7:19 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Ponte Alto] Please Read! Another Possible Indoor Site  
>> For
>> BaronialActivities
>>
>>
>> Anne:
>>
>> The fighters have *committed* to providing half of the required
>> funds. Regardless of participation, some of us in the command staff
>> have decided we would personally provide whatever funds were  
>> necessary
>> to make-up whatever short-falls might occur to ensure we reach the  
>> 50%
>> mark, regardless (we are that committed to the need for an indoor  
>> site
>> for the Barony, and we are that certain that we will get significant
>> turnout for the practices). In point of fact, we feel that once the
>> indoor practices get rolling, we will get significant participation
>> from outside the Barony and will have donations well beyond the 50%
>> mark.
>>
>> I believe we need to sign a month-to-month agreement with the school.
>> We can thus sign-up for the first month, then the second month, then
>> the third month. Naturally, we need to sign the agreements a bit
>> before the month begins (though we probably can get some slack for
>> January, given the holidays and such).
>>
>> The Barony would be financially liable for the month, though the
>> Senior fighters of the Barony (e.g., myself, Sir Thomas, etc...) have
>> agreed that regardless of participation we would provide the 50%
>> donation. So that is, in fact, a promise for which you can hold us
>> liable and not a "promise".
>>
>> The need is immediately immediate because Winter is upon us, we can  
>> no
>> longer effectively use our outdoor site, and if we want to secure the
>> indoor site for January we need to let the school know "immediately"
>> because we should've actually let them know some days ago, but have
>> some slack still.... if we wait much longer we will lose the entire
>> month of January and all of the momentum and enthusiasm we have  
>> built-
>> up.
>>
>> We could act provisionally on the first month and then take a full
>> vote of the Barony at a meeting for the other two months at the next
>> Baronial meeting. But we need emergency action for January.
>>
>> We have sufficient administrative resources for collecting the
>> donations. As to forwarding to the Exchequer within 14 days, is it
>> allowable to forward by mail (in which case we can easily do that  
>> once
>> we get an address) or we can simply drop it off at a location and  
>> time
>> of their preference -- won't be a problem at all.
>>
>> Siege and Archery, sadly not (though of course our friends and allies
>> in Stierbach are all set and able for Archery!)... but we *strongly*
>> hope that dancers, artisans, fencers, singers, and whomever else  
>> wants
>> will come out and take advantage of the space for weekend Winter
>> activities!!! We can even work dance practice into our fighter
>> practice to make sure our fighters get some dance learning' into
>> 'em!!! ;)
>>
>> Hope that helps clarify.
>>
>> If there are any other questions, let me know!!!
>>
>> In Service,
>>
>> Baron Max Von Halstern
>>
>> On Dec 21, 2007, at 6:09 PM, Barbara wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, I'm not an officer, but I have a few thoughts and questions from
>>> over
>>> here in the back seats.
>>>
>>> First thought is: the barony has money, and we don't build it up
>>> just to sit
>>> on; we want to use it for something that helps the group and
>>> furthers our
>>> educational mission. But my second thought is: $130 a week would
>>> deplete
>>> that money at a rapid pace.
>>>
>>> Lets see...the financial liability would be anywhere from: $520
>>> (Half of
>>> $130 * 8 weeks) TO $1560 (worst case, with no donations, of $130 *  
>>> 12
>>> weeks). Is that accurate?
>>>
>>> That's a lot of silent auction receipts. I'm sure that we who
>>> helped raise
>>> the money for the barony really WANT to support the fighters and
>>> have a
>>> well-recognized army; on the other hand, that fighting community was
>>> represented by only a small handful last weekend when we were
>>> raising money,
>>> and support should be two-way, in my opinion.
>>>
>>> Still, promises of donations were mentioned. Which leads to my
>>> questions
>>> about the mechanisms of this:
>>>
>>> - What kind of contract needs to be signed? (Remember that only
>>> seneschals
>>> can sign contracts) For how long a commitment is required?
>>> - Regardless of promises of donations, the barony would still be
>>> responsible
>>> for financial obligations listed in the contract, yes?
>>> - How "immediate" is the immediate answer needed? And what is
>>> driving the
>>> need for an immediate answer? It is always a concern when the
>>> Emergency
>>> Financial Committee needs to make a decision, rather than allowing  
>>> the
>>> regular process to be worked through and voted on at the barony
>>> meeting.
>>> - Is there possibilities for a provisional approval for a limited
>>> time by
>>> the emergency financial committee, pending a longer-term decision
>>> based on a
>>> full vote at a barony meeting.
>>> - Do you have a plan for collecting donations at the practices?
>>> Note that
>>> per society/kingdom laws and policies that:
>>> a) anyone collecting SCA money must be at least 18 and be an SCA
>>> member
>>> b) money needs to be deposited within 14 days
>>> c) money can not be deposited into a personal account and then
>>> forwarded -
>>> it must go into the group account.
>>>
>>> I doubt that the exchequer is going to want to commit to being at
>>> every
>>> practice, so someone is going to have to be responsible for getting
>>> the
>>> funds to the exchequer on a regular basis, and a form of check/
>>> balance needs
>>> to be set up, not unlike we do for managing the an event's cash box.
>>>
>>> I want to be clear that I'm NOT against doing this. I just want to
>>> make
>>> sure that decision makers have a clear understanding of all the
>>> facts and
>>> implications, and that YOU have a clear understanding of what you're
>>> getting
>>> yourself into too!
>>>
>>> (Gee...I don't suppose they have enough room for siege? Combat
>>> archery?
>>> No, I didn't think so. <pout>)
>>>
>>> Mistress Anne of Carthew
>>> OL, OP
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: ponte-alto-bounces at atlantia.sca.org
>>> [mailto:ponte-alto-bounces at atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of
>>> ladykatharina at verizon.net
>>> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 3:53 PM
>>> To: ponte-alto at atlantia.sca.org
>>> Subject: [Ponte Alto] Please Read! Another Possible Indoor Site For
>>> BaronialActivities
>>>
>>> Greetings unto the Populace!
>>>
>>> The Barony has been offered an excellent opportunity by the generous
>>> folks
>>> at the Lemon Road Elementary School to make that site available to  
>>> the
>>> Barony for any Sunday afternoon activities we might be interested in
>>> having
>>> weekly during the Winter.
>>>
>>> As we hope many of you know, our weekly fighting practices have  
>>> become
>>> increasingly attended and the Barony has been taking an increasingly
>>> important role in the Northern Region Army in fact, at Kingdom
>>> Crusades,
>>> the Baronial fighting unit formed the bulwark of the Northern Army
>>> contingent.
>>>
>>> We would like to take the opportunity afforded by the Lemon Road
>>> schools
>>> offer to continue our ability to train the Baronial fighters and
>>> melee unit
>>> throughout the Winter and to even potentially offer our indoor site
>>> to the
>>> greater Northern Army for some practices during the Winter.
>>> Naturally, we
>>> would also like to have the broader Baronial community take
>>> advantage of the
>>> Schools offer, as well, and would like to have the dancing,
>>> fencing,
>>> chorale and other active communities take part in the facilities
>>> offered.
>>>
>>> Thus, the fighters of the heavy weapons practice would like to
>>> propose to
>>> the barony that the school facilities at Lemon Road Elementary
>>> School be
>>> rented on Sundays for an 8 to 12 week period (depending on interest
>>> and
>>> weather) in order to begin melee training. The cost would be
>>> approximately
>>> $130 a week for a 4 hour period (the shortest available). The
>>> fighters have
>>> agreed to pay a significant portion of the expenses by themselves
>>> providing
>>> a $5.00 "donation" each per week for the use. We are figuring we
>>> will have
>>> about 10-14 fighters per week in the beginning but believe interest
>>> might
>>> grow outside the barony after word gets out.
>>>
>>> What we are asking the Barony to consider is, to pay up to half the
>>> expense
>>> of the facility. If we get enough fighters and or others showing
>>> up, the
>>> cost to the barony would be less. If too few fighters show up, a
>>> group of
>>> the senior fighters and knights will cover the short fall.
>>>
>>> As mentioned, we sincerely wish to open the site to other
>>> activities, i.e.
>>> dance, fencing, etc. The gym has a stage area just off the main
>>> floor which
>>> would be suitable to a variety of activities. This site could also
>>> be used
>>> for a newcomers event. Various interest groups witin the barony
>>> can meet
>>> and greet newcomers and display their activity.
>>>
>>> We need to make a decision immediately, so we are calling for a
>>> discussion
>>> on this list leading to immediate action by the Barony so we may let
>>> the
>>> School know of our decision and, hopefully, begin taking advantage
>>> of their
>>> generous offer for the significant benefit of our Barony.
>>>
>>> In service and gratitude,
>>>
>>> Sir Strykar
>>> Mistress Cunen
>>> Sir Thomas
>>> Sir Guy, OP
>>> Sir Strykar
>>> Sir Brian
>>> Sir Michael
>>> Sir Grethferth
>>> Baron Max von Halstren
>>> Lord Gunnar
>>> Lady Katharina
>>> Lady Marie Therese
>>> Lord Jurgen
>>> Lord Connor
>>>
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