[MR] [AtlantianHeralds] A question of Protocol regarding toasts

[logan]

cian,

perhaps i was looking in the wrong sections of corpora.  can you point me to
where it states that landed barons/esses hold higher
rank/authority/precedence than royalty?  if that is, in fact, the case i
think we should really look at changing a few "traditions" like how the
royalty and their baronial representatives enter courts, who has a seat at a
high table and who has to be invited, etc.  these ceremonies add to the
atmosphere of our society and really are important i think.  but if corpora
says that a baron outranks a prince i think our behaviors should reflect
that.

regards
logan


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From: atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
[mailto:atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Cian Conor
MacQuaid
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 11:05 AM
To: Merry Rose
Subject: Re: [MR] [AtlantianHeralds] A question of Protocol regarding toasts

The Authority of the Baronage derives directly from the Crown and is
tied to a specific Barony. Outside that Barony they fall to the position
you have so exhaustively documented, but within their granted demesne
they rank immediately behind the Crown.

The Heirs have only future authority, and none to act on their own
behalf. This does not account for the fact that they are generally
granted deference due their impending elevation, but still no actual
authority.

None of the other lists account for the difference between in or out of
their Barony, as Corpora does, and they are therefore an incomplete
accounting. Corpora wins, in any case.

Cian

On 5/13/2010 9:40 AM, logan wrote:
> then why does the assumed rank of a landed baron/ess end when they cross
> into the zip code of another barony?  why does the landed baron/ess follow
> the heirs who follow the crown when in procession?  surely a ceremonial
head
> of a sub group doesnt outrank the heirs apparent of the kingdom.  serving
as
> a landed baron/ess is recognized by a grant of arms, not a patent which is
> bestowed upon those that have served as royalty.  this would also indicate
> some placement, by rank, of the two.  and, it certainly wasnt that way
> historically either.  here is just one example....  this, from the book of
> kervynge in 1508 on serving by rank, which puts the head(s) of the church
> above all other estates puts a baron pretty far down the list: 
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