[MR] Request of clarificaton on furry friends and events

[Lady Rhiannon of Berra]

If you bring your dog to an event, you should bring your own bags to pick up
after that dog.  You have to know he's going to "go" at some point during
the event.  That shouldn't be anyone's responsibility but the owner.  You
are responsibility for the attitude, and behavior of your dog.
Unfortuatnely, no one things their little "sweetie" will bite but they do.
I have two dogs and my response is that neither of my dogs have ever bitten
anyone, but if the circumstances change and they're stressed, they MIGHT
bite.  Dogs in general are unpredictable.  Not all dogs who bite for the
first time have hosptility issues.  Some are scared, in an unfamiliar place
or haven't been well socialized in an SCA setting.  There are people who
will bend the rules to the point of breaking and they make it horrible for
everyone else.  In the end, everyone should be responsible for their own
animal.

A dog owner should be their own facilitator and if they're not then they
ruin it for everyone.  in years past, we also had cases of people tying dogs
to trees for the day and leaving them in crates during the day and overnight
and the barking and suffering was AWFUL.  The people beisde the animals and
their owners were the ones who were treated poorly.  In the end, those
several (it wasn't one or two) have made it untenable for animals at a lot
of events).

I have brought both of our dogs to a Sapphire past and when their behavior
was what I considered wrong for the event, I took them home so they would
not be an issue to those around me.  Not everyone thinks that way.

Rhiannon
(who once saw a baby goat tied to a car antenna at an event)



On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Marybeth Lavrakas <katrous at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Not that I'm arguing with the foolishness exhibited by some people (WHY
> bring a dog with hostility problems to a big event?...). But btw, when last
> at Sapphire with my dogs, crossing a field (all fighting was over) my dog
> squatted to scent mark. A group of people I didn't know, a good distance
> away, yelled "PICK IT UP." I should have given them the finger.
>
> Did you ever think of getting a staff person to be 'hounds master' before
> you banned all because of a few? Tried having wate bags to pick up poop at
> trash barrels (not different from have courtesy items available in bathrooms
> IMO). I happen to be red cross certified in dog first aid, bet I'm not the
> only one in Kingdom. We could have been asked to facilitate dogs at events
> rather than throwing us out.
>
> Kateryn Rous
>
> --- On Thu, 12/3/09, Alan MacNeill <gormofberra at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Alan MacNeill <gormofberra at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [MR] Request of clarificaton on furry friends and events
> > To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> > Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 11:59 AM
>  > As lovely as that would be...let me
> > give you my point of view as the
> > Seneschal of a group that chooses to ban animals from most
> > of our
> > events because of previous issues...
> >
> > Pets that are well behaved at home, aren't at events.
> > "She's never
> > done that before" doesn't help when someone just got bit.
> >
> > Owners that clean up after their pets, don't at
> > events.  Once the
> > guilty critter has moved on, it is very difficult to
> > identify who's
> > dog pooped under the troll table.
> >
> > People who follow the rules and take care of their pets,
> > don't at
> > events.  We had an incident at Sapphire last year
> > where a dog (who
> > wasn't even legally on site, as it wasn't a service animal)
> > was left
> > in a cage in the owner's tent while they went to Court and
> > after
> > parties.  We found out when the dog's barking
> > disturbed the next camp
> > over.
> >
> > People who are generally honest, aren't when it comes to
> > their pets.
> > That same incident, the camp in question denied the dog's
> > existence,
> > until directly confronted with "We know it's here, the
> > option is to
> > come clean, or all of you go home now"
> >
> > We make it a policy to be very upfront about our
> > policy.  "No animals
> > allowed other than service animals" appeared in the last
> > two Sapphire
> > flyers, and on the webpage.  Nobody has an excuse for
> > "I didn't know".
> >  Yet, that card got played at least twice during the
> > weekend.
> >
> > So, yes, perhaps we're throwing the baby out with the
> > bathwater,
> > however, to be blunt, it is a case of the 10% ruining it
> > for the other
> > 90%, like most of the restrictive rules in the SCA are.
> >
> > I hope that makes the other side of the argument more
> > understandable,
> >
> > Gorm of Berra
> > Seneschal, Caer Mear
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 11:23 AM, . . <lizmaekate at hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Now, of course, if the site itself bans animals, there
> > is nothing that can be done.   That's up to the site.
> >  However, when it's our own group banning animals, I think
> > we should all strive to not create such blanket bans because
> > of the problems they do cause.  If an animal misbehaves,
> > blame the owner and enact some punishment on that specific
> > person.
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