[MR] Request of clarificaton on furry friends and events

[Magnus]

All other very valid issues aside, even if your dog remains perfectly 
well behaved & cleaned up after, there are quite a lot of people who 
just can't be in the presence of dogs because of a very deeply held 
fear. In an event that's supposed to be for people, it's really not fair 
to impose dogs on people who can't be around them.

On a milder level, there is the whole allergy issue.

I'm a dog owner & lover, too, but for the love of the Flying Spaghetti 
Monster, just leave the dogs at home and let everyone have a good time.

Lady Rhiannon of Berra wrote:
> If you bring your dog to an event, you should bring your own bags to pick up
> after that dog.  You have to know he's going to "go" at some point during
> the event.  That shouldn't be anyone's responsibility but the owner.  You
> are responsibility for the attitude, and behavior of your dog.
> Unfortuatnely, no one things their little "sweetie" will bite but they do.
> I have two dogs and my response is that neither of my dogs have ever bitten
> anyone, but if the circumstances change and they're stressed, they MIGHT
> bite.  Dogs in general are unpredictable.  Not all dogs who bite for the
> first time have hosptility issues.  Some are scared, in an unfamiliar place
> or haven't been well socialized in an SCA setting.  There are people who
> will bend the rules to the point of breaking and they make it horrible for
> everyone else.  In the end, everyone should be responsible for their own
> animal.
> 
> A dog owner should be their own facilitator and if they're not then they
> ruin it for everyone.  in years past, we also had cases of people tying dogs
> to trees for the day and leaving them in crates during the day and overnight
> and the barking and suffering was AWFUL.  The people beisde the animals and
> their owners were the ones who were treated poorly.  In the end, those
> several (it wasn't one or two) have made it untenable for animals at a lot
> of events).
> 
> I have brought both of our dogs to a Sapphire past and when their behavior
> was what I considered wrong for the event, I took them home so they would
> not be an issue to those around me.  Not everyone thinks that way.
> 
> Rhiannon
> (who once saw a baby goat tied to a car antenna at an event)
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Marybeth Lavrakas <katrous at yahoo.com>wrote:
> 
>> Not that I'm arguing with the foolishness exhibited by some people (WHY
>> bring a dog with hostility problems to a big event?...). But btw, when last
>> at Sapphire with my dogs, crossing a field (all fighting was over) my dog
>> squatted to scent mark. A group of people I didn't know, a good distance
>> away, yelled "PICK IT UP." I should have given them the finger.
>>
>> Did you ever think of getting a staff person to be 'hounds master' before
>> you banned all because of a few? Tried having wate bags to pick up poop at
>> trash barrels (not different from have courtesy items available in bathrooms
>> IMO). I happen to be red cross certified in dog first aid, bet I'm not the
>> only one in Kingdom. We could have been asked to facilitate dogs at events
>> rather than throwing us out.
>>
>> Kateryn Rous
>>
>> --- On Thu, 12/3/09, Alan MacNeill <gormofberra at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Alan MacNeill <gormofberra at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [MR] Request of clarificaton on furry friends and events
>>> To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
>>> Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 11:59 AM
>>  > As lovely as that would be...let me
>>> give you my point of view as the
>>> Seneschal of a group that chooses to ban animals from most
>>> of our
>>> events because of previous issues...
>>>
>>> Pets that are well behaved at home, aren't at events.
>>> "She's never
>>> done that before" doesn't help when someone just got bit.
>>>
>>> Owners that clean up after their pets, don't at
>>> events.  Once the
>>> guilty critter has moved on, it is very difficult to
>>> identify who's
>>> dog pooped under the troll table.
>>>
>>> People who follow the rules and take care of their pets,
>>> don't at
>>> events.  We had an incident at Sapphire last year
>>> where a dog (who
>>> wasn't even legally on site, as it wasn't a service animal)
>>> was left
>>> in a cage in the owner's tent while they went to Court and
>>> after
>>> parties.  We found out when the dog's barking
>>> disturbed the next camp
>>> over.
>>>
>>> People who are generally honest, aren't when it comes to
>>> their pets.
>>> That same incident, the camp in question denied the dog's
>>> existence,
>>> until directly confronted with "We know it's here, the
>>> option is to
>>> come clean, or all of you go home now"
>>>
>>> We make it a policy to be very upfront about our
>>> policy.  "No animals
>>> allowed other than service animals" appeared in the last
>>> two Sapphire
>>> flyers, and on the webpage.  Nobody has an excuse for
>>> "I didn't know".
>>>  Yet, that card got played at least twice during the
>>> weekend.
>>>
>>> So, yes, perhaps we're throwing the baby out with the
>>> bathwater,
>>> however, to be blunt, it is a case of the 10% ruining it
>>> for the other
>>> 90%, like most of the restrictive rules in the SCA are.
>>>
>>> I hope that makes the other side of the argument more
>>> understandable,
>>>
>>> Gorm of Berra
>>> Seneschal, Caer Mear
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 11:23 AM, . . <lizmaekate at hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Now, of course, if the site itself bans animals, there
>>> is nothing that can be done.   That's up to the site.
>>>  However, when it's our own group banning animals, I think
>>> we should all strive to not create such blanket bans because
>>> of the problems they do cause.  If an animal misbehaves,
>>> blame the owner and enact some punishment on that specific
>>> person.
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