[MR] Cuan's notes on Pennsic 32

[Arthur Donadio]

I do not know what Tnek may have published or said, so I am in no way 
commenting upon or contradicting a policy statement he may have made.  
Combat archery is in a state of flux in the SCA as different kingdoms, the 
Society, and individuals, try to figure out how to standardize everything 
from armor requirements to identification of different types of archers.  We 
now know that the SCA requires all archers who ENTER THE FIELD OF COMBAT to 
be armored according to SCA minimums (except for string hand).  We also know 
that at Pennsic, white Pheons instead of red will be used because red is the 
marking color for the Mid and her allies.  And we know that some folks will 
not be wearing pheons because they are heavy archers (fighters carrying bows 
and a hand weapon).

My response to Gorm's question about whether Atlantians can be heavy archers 
at Pennsic is first to direct him to the kingdom Earl Marshal for the 
official answer.  My unofficial and completely irrelevant opinion is that 
since Atlantian law and rules do not provide for heavy archers, and we have 
never trained heavy archers in the safe execution of both hand to hand 
combat and missile combat in the same exercise, the idea of trying this for 
the first time at the SCA's biggest war would be a mistake.

Personally, if we all now have to be armored to take the field, I think 
heavy or yeoman archers is a good idea and should be the Atlantian standard. 
  Those archers who do not wish to be struck or are not authorized in 
another form could simply yield or fall to the ground when approached by an 
attacking fighter.  If we had heavy archers, we could do away with diamonds 
and pheons, etc. completely.

Well, you may be thinking, Cuan's been King four times, why hasn't he done 
this already?  The reason is that when the idea was put forward, it was met 
with heavy resistance by members of the archery community.  Now that the SCA 
mandates that all combatants be fullly armored, things are different and we 
should probably go to the new standard.  As warlord, I salivate at the 
thought that every fighter who cannot get to the front of a bridgebattle is 
standing to the rear with a crossbow!  Still, it is my opinion that changing 
our standards (even if it is permitted under kingdom law) on the eve of 
Pennsic is a bad idea.

Short question; long answer.

Cuan


>From: "Syr Otto von Schwartzkatz" <RobertEDay at hotmail.com>
>To: <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
>Subject: Re: [MR] Cuan's notes on Pennsic 32
>Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 10:45:19 -0400
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Gorm of Berra" <gormofberra at yahoo.com>
> > Your grace,
> >
> > I have a question about one piece of this expeptionally informative and
>useful
> > post, from the POV of an Atlantian CA:
> >
> > --- Arthur Donadio <dukecuan at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > COMBAT ARCHERY.  ALL ATLANTIAN ARCHERS FALL UNDER THE PENNSIC 
>CONVENTION
>FOR
> > > "MEDIUM ARCHERS".  This means that Atlantian archers must have WHITE
>PHEONS
> > > ON THE HELM, and be armored according to SCA minimums with a full
>gauntlet
> > > or hockey glove on the bow hand and a half gauntlet on the string 
>hand.
> > > Medium archers are killed by a touch.  There will be heavy archers at
> >
> > As I am reading this in combination with the standards, there *appears* 
>to
>be
> > no difference in the armor standards between medium and heavy archers,
>except
> > for the pheons on the helm.  (If I am missing something, I would
>appreciate it
> > if someone would point out my error, as it is factoring into my planning
>for
> > the War).
>
>This is true. As a matter of fact, other than hand protection, there is not
>difference between the armor requirements for heavy fighter, combat 
>archers,
>scouts and siege engine crew at this year's Pennsic War.
>
> > Given this fact, and the fact that a number of our Atlantian archers are
>also
> > authorized in other weapons forms (and therefore could potentially 
>benefit
>from
> > the Heavy Archer's ability to draw a backup weapon), would it be
>permissable
> > FOR THOSE ARCHERS WHO WISHED TO to follow the Heavy Archer conventions?
>
>As I recall, from last year, Tnek had made the statement that, although 
>they
>are not allowed in Atlantia, any Atlantian combat archer, that is also a
>heavy fighter, could operate as a "heavy archer" at a war that allows them.
>Tnek, is ths still the policy?
>
> > I have no wish whatsoever to eliminate the benefit for those who wish to
>don
> > the pheons and yield to a touch, but if there are those who wish to go 
>all
>the
> > way, may we?  If it would be a problem, I understand completely, but I 
>do
>not
> > see on first glance how it would be.
> >
> > In Service,
> >
> > Gorm of Berra
> > Atlantian Archer, among other things.
>
>Otto
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