[MR] mundane names and the OP
Wayne G Han
gwayne at CLEMSON.EDU
Wed Aug 28 07:27:30 PDT 2002
Greetings to the Tavern:
Ok, typically I'm a lurker on the Merry Rose, but I have been inspired by
Lord Kwellend-Njal's comments to speak out.
My lord, your sort of commentary is the kind that makes an officer not want
to be an officer. I'm sure that wasn't your intention, but just the same,
you are criticizing someone who has an unenviable job for trying to do it
the best way they know how. And over what? Trying to figure out how to
keep the OP straight in a period fashion? If her use of modern names makes
her monumental task a bit easier, then I say more power to her. If you
think her use of modern names is inappropriate in this "game side" issue,
let me ask you this. Do you take issue with her use of electronic
communication in the execution of her responsibilities? Would you take the
same issue with the MOL/Earl Marshal's use in authorization and marshalling
database issues?
Some things that we do in the Society are just easier done with modern
assistance. No, I'm not talking about building chairs vs. buying modern
ones. I'm not talking about using plastic legs instead of steel
ones. Those are different matters. She's just trying to eliminate dups on
the OP. As a service to us. That's all. It's not something to get into a
huff about.
There is a camp at Pennsic that in the past I have visited a lot, and this
year I actually camped in. One of their standing rules is, if you complain
about the way someone is doing a chore, it's now your job. Perhaps you
could considering petitioning for the position after Mordrea steps down for
a well deserved rest. Then you could handle the office in as period a
manner as you would like.
I'm sorry if this came across as somewhat adversarial ;-P.
Gunther van Drakenburg
At 11:33 PM 8/27/02 -0400, you wrote:
>i only wish at some point you find yourself happy.
>
>as mordrea has stated clearly time and time again she uses these names to
>make sure that we have some level of record keeping. the fact that many
>women change their names after marriage to their husbands birth names has
>little significance in this. if you dont want your name to be on any record
>im sure that mordrea would oblige . since we are being nit picky i would
>only suggest that there is nothing "mundane" about my modern name or that of
>many others.
>
>however, if you have some sources of the way modern people in the middle
>ages tracked who had what awards from the crown i am sure mordrea would be
>willing to hear them. after that we can discuss the way those efforts dont
>help one servant serve so many others. or we can discuss the fact that
>mordea has stated that she will only use these modern names to keep the
>database current and accurate. but you suggest that she is not up to her
>word and i would like to know why.
>
>mordrea when was it you asked for my mothers maiden and my social? i missed
>that.
>
>regards
>logan
>
>
>ps i wonder when this will appear since all of my emails seems to "awaiting
>moderator approval" for some reason. 11 31 8/27
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: atlantia-admin at atlantia.sca.org
>[mailto:atlantia-admin at atlantia.sca.org]On Behalf Of David W. James
>Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 10:47 PM
>To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
>Subject: Re: [MR] mundane names and the OP
>
>
>On Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 08:39 AM, EoganOg at aol.com wrote:
> > Your mundane name is the one thing that we can be reasonably sure will
> > not change.
>
> Really?? I knew this was true in Iceland, but it is the first I've
>heard of it in the USA. I really must tell my wife that her name didn't
>change after all...
>
> > If it is not published in any public forum, what is the problem with
> > using it to keep track of the awards and recognition you recieve in the
> > OP database? Your mundane name is given to SCA, Inc, when you join as
> > a member. It is given to the College of Heralds when you submit a name
> > or heraldic device. I see no problem with giving it to Mordrea,
> > especially when it makes her difficult job a bit easier.
>
> > Aye,
> > Eogan Og
> > Sacred Stone Persuivant
>
> The College of Arms doesn't enter your mundane name in an electronic
>database. The corporation isn't dealing purely with game-side issues.
>Do you not see a difference there?
>
> And I'm pretty sure that the mundane names collected for the combat
>authorization database weren't originally intended to be published on
>the web either, but I had no trouble finding them there last year. The
>fact that Mordrea doesn't intend to publish them does not bind her
>successors to her policy, or from mistakes or theft.
>
> Using mundane names is like using plastic in armor, or polyester in
>your court garb: ok if that's what is the best you can afford, but not
>something we should encourage on the game side. And the OP is about as
>game side as you can get.
>
> I *wish* Mordrea had asked for help researching period ways to
>manage and track such things. I'd have helped. She didn't, and that's
>her choice and option; she holds the office. I don't so I'm allowed to
>kvetch, with all the effectiveness that usually has.
>
>David/Kwellend-Njal
>
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Wayne Han
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