[Archers] Master of Defense

[Cameron deGrey]

For the sake of clarity, this is to all, not pointed at Jay.

On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Cameron deGrey <camerondegrey at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I think 'Cookie Cutter' is harsh though I know you have the best
> intentions.
>
> I think comparing the Omnibus (or Valiance) Proposal is more aptly
> compared to Laurel. Where the peerage is what (IMO) what it should have
> been in the first place. A peerage for ALL martial activities. Which would
> also include rattan and rapier.
>
> As a Laurel can be in any Art or Science, so too should one be in the
> Valiance Peerage for their respective martial art. Two of those 'cows' have
> left the barn, and one left so long ago 'he' forgot 'his' roots. Rattan and
> rapier are not, and should not (IMO), be asked to 'return to a fold'.
> Whether it is by ego, history, or reality, this will likely never happen.
> Much love and respect to both, they have their place proper with all rights
> and respect. DO NOT read disrespect where none exists.
>
> I say this only in hopes to garner support and respect for the effort
> being put forth. I know we in the archery community have been spit on for
> decades, and many of you stopped caring or trying for various reasons.
> Further, that asking some of you to care one more time. I know this can
> also be exposing some of you to further pain and disappointment. I
> understand that. I further believe that we as archers, understanding the
> trial and tribulations with getting deserved* honor, should not leave our
> brothers and sisters in other martial activities behind. If we are the
> people of honor we aspire to be, we should, and can elevate the rest of the
> populace with us!
>
> But we have a chance here. A chance to fix something that has been wrong
> for a VERY long time. There is momentum. The oppositions arguments are weak
> at best.
>
> If you need ammo for your arguments, come to me and I will happily share
> the what Ive heard, and the responses Ive used to debunk them. Or visit the
> group on FaceBook:
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/638147782978374/
>
> Understand this: This remaining martial rabble we are discussing, are the
> last of the known world to be given access to this great honor and
> responsibility. In EVERY other endeavor there is a path to peerage. ALL of
> us know someone who has PLQs. We can ALL name at LEAST one without
> hesitation. And despite being disrespected by our Society in this regard,
> continue their good works. Because they ARE peers. Not because they chase
> the title or any other reason.
>
> I will respectfully disagree with you if my words offend. I am always open
> to respectful disagreement.
>
> I ask you take your time, look at the proposal, and (IMO) do the right
> thing. Support this proposal not for yourself, but for our Society.
>
> http://endlesshills.net/valianceproposal.pdf
>
>
> YIS respectfully,
> Lord Cameron de Grey
> Or, on a bend purpure between a wheel of cheese and a squirrel sable,
> three pheons palewise Or
>
>
> On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 12:08 PM, <jaynardone at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Correct the "cookie cutter" peerage or "Omnibus" is the one actively
>> campaigning now and would possibly support thrown, archery, equestrian,
>> etc....
>>
>> Janyn
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From: *deallac at juno.com
>> *To: *cogworks at triad.rr.com
>> *Cc: *"archers" <archers at atlantia.sca.org>
>> *Sent: *Thursday, May 28, 2015 10:49:27 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [Archers] Master of Defense
>>
>>
>> Cog,
>>
>> This is the peerage for Rapier that was created as of the January(?) BoD
>> meeting.
>> I believe that the one you are referring to is the followup effort to
>> create a new
>> peerage that will cover the rest (non-rattan, non-rapier) of the martial
>> activities.
>> The effort is still ongoing :)
>>
>> Dealla
>>
>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>> From: "John Atkins" <cogworks at triad.rr.com>
>> To: <archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
>> Subject: [Archers] Master of Defense
>> Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 10:24:30 -0400
>>
>>  Question for the group here.  I’m seeing several other kingdoms putting
>> people on vigil for the peerage Master of Defense.  Is this elevating
>> people to the new peerage that has been discussed ad nauseum on many other
>> SCA wide lists?
>>
>>
>>
>> CJg
>>
>>
>>
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