<div dir="ltr">For the sake of clarity, this is to all, not pointed at Jay.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Cameron deGrey <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:camerondegrey@gmail.com" target="_blank">camerondegrey@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I think 'Cookie Cutter' is harsh though I know you have the best intentions. <div><br></div><div>I think comparing the Omnibus (or Valiance) Proposal is more aptly compared to Laurel. Where the peerage is what (IMO) what it should have been in the first place. A peerage for ALL martial activities. Which would also include rattan and rapier.<br><br>As a Laurel can be in any Art or Science, so too should one be in the Valiance Peerage for their respective martial art. Two of those 'cows' have left the barn, and one left so long ago 'he' forgot 'his' roots. Rattan and rapier are not, and should not (IMO), be asked to 'return to a fold'. Whether it is by ego, history, or reality, this will likely never happen. Much love and respect to both, they have their place proper with all rights and respect. DO NOT read disrespect where none exists.</div><div><br></div><div>I say this only in hopes to garner support and respect for the effort being put forth. I know we in the archery community have been spit on for decades, and many of you stopped caring or trying for various reasons. Further, that asking some of you to care one more time. I know this can also be exposing some of you to further pain and disappointment. I understand that. I further believe that we as archers, understanding the trial and tribulations with getting deserved* honor, should not leave our brothers and sisters in other martial activities behind. If we are the people of honor we aspire to be, we should, and can elevate the rest of the populace with us!<br><br>But we have a chance here. A chance to fix something that has been wrong for a VERY long time. There is momentum. The oppositions arguments are weak at best. <br><br>If you need ammo for your arguments, come to me and I will happily share the what Ive heard, and the responses Ive used to debunk them. Or visit the group on FaceBook:<br><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/638147782978374/" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/groups/638147782978374/</a><br><br>Understand this: This remaining martial rabble we are discussing, are the last of the known world to be given access to this great honor and responsibility. In EVERY other endeavor there is a path to peerage. ALL of us know someone who has PLQs. We can ALL name at LEAST one without hesitation. And despite being disrespected by our Society in this regard, continue their good works. Because they ARE peers. Not because they chase the title or any other reason.<br><br>I will respectfully disagree with you if my words offend. I am always open to respectful disagreement.</div><div><br></div><div>I ask you take your time, look at the proposal, and (IMO) do the right thing. Support this proposal not for yourself, but for our Society.</div><div><br></div><div>
<p><span><a href="http://endlesshills.net/valianceproposal.pdf" target="_blank">http://endlesshills.net/valianceproposal.pdf</a></span></p></div><div><br></div><div><div><br></div><div>YIS respectfully,</div><div>Lord Cameron de Grey</div><div>Or, on a bend purpure between a wheel of cheese and a squirrel sable, three pheons palewise Or</div><br></div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 12:08 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jaynardone@comcast.net" target="_blank">jaynardone@comcast.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:#000000"><div>Correct the "cookie cutter" peerage or "Omnibus" is the one actively campaigning now and would possibly support thrown, archery, equestrian, etc....<br></div><div><br></div><div>Janyn</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><hr><div style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:deallac@juno.com" target="_blank">deallac@juno.com</a><br><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:cogworks@triad.rr.com" target="_blank">cogworks@triad.rr.com</a><br><b>Cc: </b>"archers" <<a href="mailto:archers@atlantia.sca.org" target="_blank">archers@atlantia.sca.org</a>><br><b>Sent: </b>Thursday, May 28, 2015 10:49:27 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Archers] Master of Defense<div><div><br><div><br></div><div>Cog,</div>
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<div>This is the peerage for Rapier that was created as of the January(?) BoD meeting.</div>
<div>I believe that the one you are referring to is the followup effort to create a new</div>
<div>peerage that will cover the rest (non-rattan, non-rapier) of the martial activities.</div>
<div>The effort is still ongoing :)</div>
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</div></div><div><div><div>Dealla<br><div><br></div>---------- Original Message ----------<br>From: "John Atkins" <<a href="mailto:cogworks@triad.rr.com" target="_blank">cogworks@triad.rr.com</a>><br>To: <<a href="mailto:archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" target="_blank">archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a>><br>Subject: [Archers] Master of Defense<br>Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 10:24:30 -0400<br><div><br></div><p></p>
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