[Archers] Archers Digest, Vol 141, Issue 19

Lorelei Elkins ladygreenleafe at gmail.com
Mon Jun 29 04:49:25 PDT 2015 

Represent us well, Olin!


Lorelei

On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 9:39 PM, Olin Bare <masterarcherolin at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hear Yee, Hear Yee,
> All Serious Competitive Archers!
>   The 2015 IBO Traditional World Championship will be in Tennessee July 17
> and 18. There is a class for long bows with wooden arrows.
>   The SCA is about having fun!
>             Archer Bear Horseman of Rockbridge
> On Jun 22, 2015 9:14 PM, <archers-request at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
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>>    1. Re: Incident at Stierbach Baronial Birthday (michael sheppard)
>>    2. Re: Incident at Stierbach Baronial Birthday (John Atkins)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 19:14:14 -0400
>> From: michael sheppard <mlsheppard2760 at gmail.com>
>> To: Jay Nardone <jaynardone at comcast.net>
>> Cc: "archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org"
>>         <archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Archers] Incident at Stierbach Baronial Birthday
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>> Brother's and Sister's,
>>
>> I couldn't agree more.  We are better than that.
>>
>> YIS,
>> Saphir
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 12:45 PM, <jaynardone at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> > Good afternoon my Esteemed Brothers and Sisters of the Bow. I write you
>> > today with a heavy heart and great sadness over an incident that
>> occurred
>> > at the event last weekend on the Archery range. I had to take a step
>> back
>> > myself for a few hours before I wrote this to assure that I am not
>> > conveying emotion but rather fact myself. Also when these things occur I
>> > like to approach them like the NTSB at an accident, (okay stop laughing
>> at
>> > the geeky engineer :P ) Unfortunately this was no accident, accidents
>> are
>> > something that occur out of our control and unfortunately in this case
>> the
>> > "out of their control" was very much in their control but for whatever
>> > reasons, didnt work out the best way.
>> >
>> > There are a few areas I want to touch on in this note so I will take
>> them
>> > one at a time to be as clear as I possibly can....
>> >
>> > 1. It seems an archer was upset with the design of the shoot and that
>> > their score was adversely effected because of the element of luck
>> designed
>> > into the shoot. In giving them the benefit of the doubt that they were
>> > genuinely just very "passionate" about their position or just having a
>> "bad
>> > day" they lost sense of reality and ended up berating the MIC and other
>> > MiT's and archers who were in range of the shouting on the range. This
>> > makes me think of two points here:
>> >
>> >   A.) If anyone (archers, marshals, etc...) has an issue with the shoot
>> > design you have two simple choices. Dont shoot, go do something else or
>> > deal with it and shoot. We are all out there (or should be) for one
>> reason,
>> > FUN! Yes many of us are competitive, hey you wont find someone else more
>> > competitive than me, but I would never ruin someone's or a group's fun
>> over
>> > something so silly as my score unless I found blatant cheating or cause
>> > that effected my score, which was not the case here.  I know some
>> archers
>> > don't like the introduction of "chance" into a shoot design, but I know
>> > many of us welcome it and actually think it is a refreshing break to the
>> > outcome. It is the very reason I chose D&D for this year's SSB shoot, it
>> > allows archers to use their skills but their scores can change
>> drastically
>> > simply based on a dice roll. I gave up 40 points on one target because I
>> > shot 4 different slots that were zero's, oh well that was my choice to
>> > shoot those spots not the shoot designer!
>> >
>> > B.) Okay point "B", if there is an incident like this on the range you
>> as
>> > MIC, marshal, MiT, etc don't and shouldn't handle it alone. While these
>> > incidents are very very rare, this is only the 2nd I remember since I
>> > joined in 2007, and I thank you all for that; they do occur. Once again
>> at
>> > this event like the other, the DEM, EDEM and 2 or 3 regional's were all
>> > there on the range. I applaud my marshals for being strong enough to
>> handle
>> > the issues but I and my staff cant help you if we don't know about it!
>> Like
>> > most of these issues, I didnt know about it until I got contacted by a
>> > Count or two who are my friends but also concerned about their people.
>> We
>> > have very straightforward rules for people who become combative, unruly
>> or
>> > just out of control. I have zero tolerance for those actions and they
>> would
>> > have been removed from the range immediately! So please if this ever
>> occurs
>> > again (lets hope not!), simply ask the person to "Wait a minute" and
>> send
>> > someone to get someone from the Marshalette officer structure.
>> >
>> > Okay back to number one. This was uncalled for and had no business
>> > happening! Especially in public on the range in front of those who had
>> to
>> > hear it's ugliness. In times when we are wondering why our numbers are
>> > dwindling, this is not the behavior to be conducting ourselves too
>> > accordingly. When I was welcomed into the Atlantia archery community
>> years
>> > ago, it was a warm and friendly welcome. That is what Atlantia archery
>> is!
>> > We are no drama, no whining and no haters, period!
>> >
>> > Okay enough of my soapbox, the SCA is a "Self policing" society and I
>> know
>> > the Archery community has been very good at it in the past. I guess all
>> I
>> > will say is something my Mother used to tell me, "that if you cant say
>> > anything nice, don't say anything at all!" Our shoot coordinators spend
>> a
>> > great deal of time and money and effort to put these shoots on for us
>> and I
>> > challenge you if you feel they are so wrong to put together a shoot the
>> way
>> > you would like too and invite us all to participate in your shoot! I
>> like
>> > the diversity of shoots we have in our Kingdom and the creativity of our
>> > archers and marshals and applaud them all.
>> >
>> > Now enough of the silliness, lets focus on positive energy and go have
>> > some fun!
>> >
>> > In Service,
>> >
>> > Janyn
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 21:14:43 -0400
>> From: "John Atkins" <cogworks at triad.rr.com>
>> To: "'michael sheppard'" <mlsheppard2760 at gmail.com>,    "'Jay Nardone'"
>>         <jaynardone at comcast.net>
>> Cc: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
>> Subject: Re: [Archers] Incident at Stierbach Baronial Birthday
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>> I totally agree with the sentiments expressed so far.  We have a local
>> marshal, it?s OK Lorelei, I won?t use your name, who likes to put 50 cent
>> pieces at 40 or 50 yards as the target.  These old eyes can?t even see the
>> bloody thing much less attempt to aim at it.  If I hit it, it is total
>> luck.  But I still participate and have fun.  After all, that?s what this
>> is supposed to be all about.  At the SAADs I?ve been MIC for I have tried
>> very hard to create a shoot challenging to experienced archers and yet one
>> that novice archers can still score points at and have fun.  In the past we
>> have had people cheat at the shooting stations.  No names mentioned  this
>> time??..  But that is NEVER the point.  If I want competition that really
>> means something there are many other venues of much more meaning.  This is
>> a hobby, a game, it is ALL make believe.  Do any of us seriously believe
>> just because someone is wearing a fancy crown that they are really a king?
>> I don?t mean to dis the pos
>>  ition.  It is one I would never earn nor really want the responsibility
>> of and honor those that do.  But my point is that an archery competition at
>> any event is for FUN as Janyn said.  People who get their knickers in a
>> twist because of the inclusion of ?luck? need to go back to their camp and
>> start drinking early and get a life!
>>
>>
>>
>> Cog?s two cents worth???????????????..
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Archers [mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On
>> Behalf Of michael sheppard
>> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 7:14 PM
>> To: Jay Nardone
>> Cc: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
>> Subject: Re: [Archers] Incident at Stierbach Baronial Birthday
>>
>>
>>
>> Brother's and Sister's,
>>
>>
>>
>> I couldn't agree more.  We are better than that.
>>
>>
>>
>> YIS,
>>
>> Saphir
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 12:45 PM, <jaynardone at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> Good afternoon my Esteemed Brothers and Sisters of the Bow. I write you
>> today with a heavy heart and great sadness over an incident that occurred
>> at the event last weekend on the Archery range. I had to take a step back
>> myself for a few hours before I wrote this to assure that I am not
>> conveying emotion but rather fact myself. Also when these things occur I
>> like to approach them like the NTSB at an accident, (okay stop laughing at
>> the geeky engineer :P ) Unfortunately this was no accident, accidents are
>> something that occur out of our control and unfortunately in this case the
>> "out of their control" was very much in their control but for whatever
>> reasons, didnt work out the best way.
>>
>>
>>
>> There are a few areas I want to touch on in this note so I will take them
>> one at a time to be as clear as I possibly can....
>>
>>
>>
>> 1. It seems an archer was upset with the design of the shoot and that
>> their score was adversely effected because of the element of luck designed
>> into the shoot. In giving them the benefit of the doubt that they were
>> genuinely just very "passionate" about their position or just having a "bad
>> day" they lost sense of reality and ended up berating the MIC and other
>> MiT's and archers who were in range of the shouting on the range. This
>> makes me think of two points here:
>>
>>
>>
>>   A.) If anyone (archers, marshals, etc...) has an issue with the shoot
>> design you have two simple choices. Dont shoot, go do something else or
>> deal with it and shoot. We are all out there (or should be) for one reason,
>> FUN! Yes many of us are competitive, hey you wont find someone else more
>> competitive than me, but I would never ruin someone's or a group's fun over
>> something so silly as my score unless I found blatant cheating or cause
>> that effected my score, which was not the case here.  I know some archers
>> don't like the introduction of "chance" into a shoot design, but I know
>> many of us welcome it and actually think it is a refreshing break to the
>> outcome. It is the very reason I chose D&D for this year's SSB shoot, it
>> allows archers to use their skills but their scores can change drastically
>> simply based on a dice roll. I gave up 40 points on one target because I
>> shot 4 different slots that were zero's, oh well that was my choice to
>> shoot those spots not the shoot design
>>  er!
>>
>>
>>
>> B.) Okay point "B", if there is an incident like this on the range you as
>> MIC, marshal, MiT, etc don't and shouldn't handle it alone. While these
>> incidents are very very rare, this is only the 2nd I remember since I
>> joined in 2007, and I thank you all for that; they do occur. Once again at
>> this event like the other, the DEM, EDEM and 2 or 3 regional's were all
>> there on the range. I applaud my marshals for being strong enough to handle
>> the issues but I and my staff cant help you if we don't know about it! Like
>> most of these issues, I didnt know about it until I got contacted by a
>> Count or two who are my friends but also concerned about their people. We
>> have very straightforward rules for people who become combative, unruly or
>> just out of control. I have zero tolerance for those actions and they would
>> have been removed from the range immediately! So please if this ever occurs
>> again (lets hope not!), simply ask the person to "Wait a minute" and send
>> someone to get someone from t
>>  he Marshalette officer structure.
>>
>>
>>
>> Okay back to number one. This was uncalled for and had no business
>> happening! Especially in public on the range in front of those who had to
>> hear it's ugliness. In times when we are wondering why our numbers are
>> dwindling, this is not the behavior to be conducting ourselves too
>> accordingly. When I was welcomed into the Atlantia archery community years
>> ago, it was a warm and friendly welcome. That is what Atlantia archery is!
>> We are no drama, no whining and no haters, period!
>>
>>
>>
>> Okay enough of my soapbox, the SCA is a "Self policing" society and I
>> know the Archery community has been very good at it in the past. I guess
>> all I will say is something my Mother used to tell me, "that if you cant
>> say anything nice, don't say anything at all!" Our shoot coordinators spend
>> a great deal of time and money and effort to put these shoots on for us and
>> I challenge you if you feel they are so wrong to put together a shoot the
>> way you would like too and invite us all to participate in your shoot! I
>> like the diversity of shoots we have in our Kingdom and the creativity of
>> our archers and marshals and applaud them all.
>>
>>
>>
>> Now enough of the silliness, lets focus on positive energy and go have
>> some fun!
>>
>>
>>
>> In Service,
>>
>>
>>
>> Janyn
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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