[Archers] Archers Digest, Vol 141, Issue 19
Olin Bare
masterarcherolin at gmail.com
Mon Jun 22 18:39:19 PDT 2015
Hear Yee, Hear Yee,
All Serious Competitive Archers!
The 2015 IBO Traditional World Championship will be in Tennessee July 17
and 18. There is a class for long bows with wooden arrows.
The SCA is about having fun!
Archer Bear Horseman of Rockbridge
On Jun 22, 2015 9:14 PM, <archers-request at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org> wrote:
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> 1. Re: Incident at Stierbach Baronial Birthday (michael sheppard)
> 2. Re: Incident at Stierbach Baronial Birthday (John Atkins)
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> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 19:14:14 -0400
> From: michael sheppard <mlsheppard2760 at gmail.com>
> To: Jay Nardone <jaynardone at comcast.net>
> Cc: "archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org"
> <archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
> Subject: Re: [Archers] Incident at Stierbach Baronial Birthday
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> Brother's and Sister's,
>
> I couldn't agree more. We are better than that.
>
> YIS,
> Saphir
>
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 12:45 PM, <jaynardone at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Good afternoon my Esteemed Brothers and Sisters of the Bow. I write you
> > today with a heavy heart and great sadness over an incident that occurred
> > at the event last weekend on the Archery range. I had to take a step back
> > myself for a few hours before I wrote this to assure that I am not
> > conveying emotion but rather fact myself. Also when these things occur I
> > like to approach them like the NTSB at an accident, (okay stop laughing
> at
> > the geeky engineer :P ) Unfortunately this was no accident, accidents are
> > something that occur out of our control and unfortunately in this case
> the
> > "out of their control" was very much in their control but for whatever
> > reasons, didnt work out the best way.
> >
> > There are a few areas I want to touch on in this note so I will take them
> > one at a time to be as clear as I possibly can....
> >
> > 1. It seems an archer was upset with the design of the shoot and that
> > their score was adversely effected because of the element of luck
> designed
> > into the shoot. In giving them the benefit of the doubt that they were
> > genuinely just very "passionate" about their position or just having a
> "bad
> > day" they lost sense of reality and ended up berating the MIC and other
> > MiT's and archers who were in range of the shouting on the range. This
> > makes me think of two points here:
> >
> > A.) If anyone (archers, marshals, etc...) has an issue with the shoot
> > design you have two simple choices. Dont shoot, go do something else or
> > deal with it and shoot. We are all out there (or should be) for one
> reason,
> > FUN! Yes many of us are competitive, hey you wont find someone else more
> > competitive than me, but I would never ruin someone's or a group's fun
> over
> > something so silly as my score unless I found blatant cheating or cause
> > that effected my score, which was not the case here. I know some archers
> > don't like the introduction of "chance" into a shoot design, but I know
> > many of us welcome it and actually think it is a refreshing break to the
> > outcome. It is the very reason I chose D&D for this year's SSB shoot, it
> > allows archers to use their skills but their scores can change
> drastically
> > simply based on a dice roll. I gave up 40 points on one target because I
> > shot 4 different slots that were zero's, oh well that was my choice to
> > shoot those spots not the shoot designer!
> >
> > B.) Okay point "B", if there is an incident like this on the range you as
> > MIC, marshal, MiT, etc don't and shouldn't handle it alone. While these
> > incidents are very very rare, this is only the 2nd I remember since I
> > joined in 2007, and I thank you all for that; they do occur. Once again
> at
> > this event like the other, the DEM, EDEM and 2 or 3 regional's were all
> > there on the range. I applaud my marshals for being strong enough to
> handle
> > the issues but I and my staff cant help you if we don't know about it!
> Like
> > most of these issues, I didnt know about it until I got contacted by a
> > Count or two who are my friends but also concerned about their people. We
> > have very straightforward rules for people who become combative, unruly
> or
> > just out of control. I have zero tolerance for those actions and they
> would
> > have been removed from the range immediately! So please if this ever
> occurs
> > again (lets hope not!), simply ask the person to "Wait a minute" and send
> > someone to get someone from the Marshalette officer structure.
> >
> > Okay back to number one. This was uncalled for and had no business
> > happening! Especially in public on the range in front of those who had to
> > hear it's ugliness. In times when we are wondering why our numbers are
> > dwindling, this is not the behavior to be conducting ourselves too
> > accordingly. When I was welcomed into the Atlantia archery community
> years
> > ago, it was a warm and friendly welcome. That is what Atlantia archery
> is!
> > We are no drama, no whining and no haters, period!
> >
> > Okay enough of my soapbox, the SCA is a "Self policing" society and I
> know
> > the Archery community has been very good at it in the past. I guess all I
> > will say is something my Mother used to tell me, "that if you cant say
> > anything nice, don't say anything at all!" Our shoot coordinators spend a
> > great deal of time and money and effort to put these shoots on for us
> and I
> > challenge you if you feel they are so wrong to put together a shoot the
> way
> > you would like too and invite us all to participate in your shoot! I like
> > the diversity of shoots we have in our Kingdom and the creativity of our
> > archers and marshals and applaud them all.
> >
> > Now enough of the silliness, lets focus on positive energy and go have
> > some fun!
> >
> > In Service,
> >
> > Janyn
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 21:14:43 -0400
> From: "John Atkins" <cogworks at triad.rr.com>
> To: "'michael sheppard'" <mlsheppard2760 at gmail.com>, "'Jay Nardone'"
> <jaynardone at comcast.net>
> Cc: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> Subject: Re: [Archers] Incident at Stierbach Baronial Birthday
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> I totally agree with the sentiments expressed so far. We have a local
> marshal, it?s OK Lorelei, I won?t use your name, who likes to put 50 cent
> pieces at 40 or 50 yards as the target. These old eyes can?t even see the
> bloody thing much less attempt to aim at it. If I hit it, it is total
> luck. But I still participate and have fun. After all, that?s what this
> is supposed to be all about. At the SAADs I?ve been MIC for I have tried
> very hard to create a shoot challenging to experienced archers and yet one
> that novice archers can still score points at and have fun. In the past we
> have had people cheat at the shooting stations. No names mentioned this
> time??.. But that is NEVER the point. If I want competition that really
> means something there are many other venues of much more meaning. This is
> a hobby, a game, it is ALL make believe. Do any of us seriously believe
> just because someone is wearing a fancy crown that they are really a king?
> I don?t mean to dis the pos
> ition. It is one I would never earn nor really want the responsibility
> of and honor those that do. But my point is that an archery competition at
> any event is for FUN as Janyn said. People who get their knickers in a
> twist because of the inclusion of ?luck? need to go back to their camp and
> start drinking early and get a life!
>
>
>
> Cog?s two cents worth???????????????..
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Archers [mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On
> Behalf Of michael sheppard
> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 7:14 PM
> To: Jay Nardone
> Cc: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> Subject: Re: [Archers] Incident at Stierbach Baronial Birthday
>
>
>
> Brother's and Sister's,
>
>
>
> I couldn't agree more. We are better than that.
>
>
>
> YIS,
>
> Saphir
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 12:45 PM, <jaynardone at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Good afternoon my Esteemed Brothers and Sisters of the Bow. I write you
> today with a heavy heart and great sadness over an incident that occurred
> at the event last weekend on the Archery range. I had to take a step back
> myself for a few hours before I wrote this to assure that I am not
> conveying emotion but rather fact myself. Also when these things occur I
> like to approach them like the NTSB at an accident, (okay stop laughing at
> the geeky engineer :P ) Unfortunately this was no accident, accidents are
> something that occur out of our control and unfortunately in this case the
> "out of their control" was very much in their control but for whatever
> reasons, didnt work out the best way.
>
>
>
> There are a few areas I want to touch on in this note so I will take them
> one at a time to be as clear as I possibly can....
>
>
>
> 1. It seems an archer was upset with the design of the shoot and that
> their score was adversely effected because of the element of luck designed
> into the shoot. In giving them the benefit of the doubt that they were
> genuinely just very "passionate" about their position or just having a "bad
> day" they lost sense of reality and ended up berating the MIC and other
> MiT's and archers who were in range of the shouting on the range. This
> makes me think of two points here:
>
>
>
> A.) If anyone (archers, marshals, etc...) has an issue with the shoot
> design you have two simple choices. Dont shoot, go do something else or
> deal with it and shoot. We are all out there (or should be) for one reason,
> FUN! Yes many of us are competitive, hey you wont find someone else more
> competitive than me, but I would never ruin someone's or a group's fun over
> something so silly as my score unless I found blatant cheating or cause
> that effected my score, which was not the case here. I know some archers
> don't like the introduction of "chance" into a shoot design, but I know
> many of us welcome it and actually think it is a refreshing break to the
> outcome. It is the very reason I chose D&D for this year's SSB shoot, it
> allows archers to use their skills but their scores can change drastically
> simply based on a dice roll. I gave up 40 points on one target because I
> shot 4 different slots that were zero's, oh well that was my choice to
> shoot those spots not the shoot design
> er!
>
>
>
> B.) Okay point "B", if there is an incident like this on the range you as
> MIC, marshal, MiT, etc don't and shouldn't handle it alone. While these
> incidents are very very rare, this is only the 2nd I remember since I
> joined in 2007, and I thank you all for that; they do occur. Once again at
> this event like the other, the DEM, EDEM and 2 or 3 regional's were all
> there on the range. I applaud my marshals for being strong enough to handle
> the issues but I and my staff cant help you if we don't know about it! Like
> most of these issues, I didnt know about it until I got contacted by a
> Count or two who are my friends but also concerned about their people. We
> have very straightforward rules for people who become combative, unruly or
> just out of control. I have zero tolerance for those actions and they would
> have been removed from the range immediately! So please if this ever occurs
> again (lets hope not!), simply ask the person to "Wait a minute" and send
> someone to get someone from t
> he Marshalette officer structure.
>
>
>
> Okay back to number one. This was uncalled for and had no business
> happening! Especially in public on the range in front of those who had to
> hear it's ugliness. In times when we are wondering why our numbers are
> dwindling, this is not the behavior to be conducting ourselves too
> accordingly. When I was welcomed into the Atlantia archery community years
> ago, it was a warm and friendly welcome. That is what Atlantia archery is!
> We are no drama, no whining and no haters, period!
>
>
>
> Okay enough of my soapbox, the SCA is a "Self policing" society and I know
> the Archery community has been very good at it in the past. I guess all I
> will say is something my Mother used to tell me, "that if you cant say
> anything nice, don't say anything at all!" Our shoot coordinators spend a
> great deal of time and money and effort to put these shoots on for us and I
> challenge you if you feel they are so wrong to put together a shoot the way
> you would like too and invite us all to participate in your shoot! I like
> the diversity of shoots we have in our Kingdom and the creativity of our
> archers and marshals and applaud them all.
>
>
>
> Now enough of the silliness, lets focus on positive energy and go have
> some fun!
>
>
>
> In Service,
>
>
>
> Janyn
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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