[Archers] Fwd: [SCA Kingdom of Atlantia ] I've finished my album o f Atlantian heraldry. It...

Mon Aug 18 11:12:24 PDT 2014

The Trimarian proposal was just that, a proposal.  It was put up for comment
and consideration.  Thus the excellent point you pointed out would be an
issue that needed to be addressed.  This idea is still in it's formative
stages.

CJg

From: deallac at juno.com [mailto:deallac at juno.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2014 12:54 PM
To: cogworks at triad.rr.com
Cc: Jonathas at RedFoxDen.org; archers at atlantia.sca.org
Subject: RE: [Archers] Fwd: [SCA Kingdom of Atlantia ] I've finished my
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CoG,

Thanks for the additional information.  I didn't mean to sound as if I 

was suggesting that the YB would cover all of this, I just thought that

the Trimaran proposal sounded a bit like a non-polling variant.  I don't 

have a problem with (re)starting the Guild, and definitely as a non-polling

group (that's what guilds are supposed to be, after all), but there does

seem to be some voting in the Trimaran proposal for moving folks

from member to Provost.  It's a start, and maybe it is something

that we can run with.  The only concern I had with the Trimaran 

proposal was that in one part it indicates that it would cover all

of the missile arts (ta/ca/tw/s), but then goes on to say that skill 

in Archery was a requirement for Provost :) (sounds like it started for

one, expanded, and didn't get fully wordsmithed :))

Wasn't the FB proposal something that was more Society wide, and not

just within a single group????   So many lists/pages get confusing :)

Dealla

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From: "John Atkins" <cogworks at triad.rr.com>
To: <deallac at juno.com>
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Subject: RE: [Archers] Fwd: [SCA Kingdom of Atlantia ] I've finished my
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 12:32:24 -0400

Trimaris does have a Yewbow equivalent.  I think it's called the Arc
something or other.  I don't know if it is a grant level award though.  This
proposal, I believe, is NOT intended to be a voting order/guild.  IF, big
if, Atlantia started something like this I would suggest it NOT be a voting
order, but rather follow the construct of a guild.  That would be anyone who
has an interest may join given limited requirements.  Within the structure
individuals could work their way up via meeting increasingly higher
standards and voted on by those at that level.  The top of the heap would be
the Yewbow.  But a structure like this would provide a "learning ground" for
individuals newly interested in what the guild represents, target archery,
combat archery, TW, siege.  I could see a structure like this leading the
way to my post on FB about attempts to be more period in equipment and garb.
My disclaimer for those not on the FB list, is that I find it somewhat
distressing that I'm seeing more and more folks, mostly at Pennsic, who are
using equipment marginally period and garb that has no if any relationship
to what may have been worn in period by ANY culture.  I offer Nikes, black
jeans, sleeveless shirt and modern cotton hat.  Contrast that representation
with Naran the Atlantian Mongol!  While I don't expect everyone to be period
head to toe I would like to see a more serious attempt at some form of
periodness.  I'll grant Pennsic casual at any event with limits.

I am NOT a period Nazi but I do have this strange concept that you should be
able to look at someone and make a somewhat educated guess as to what period
and culture they are portraying.  Rabbit fur bikinis with fox tails off the
butt don't quite fit that goal.  I think a guild as proposed would provide
the "lead by example" structure that would encourage folks to try harder.

Lots of opinions,

CJg

From: deallac at juno.com [mailto:deallac at juno.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2014 12:13 PM
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Subject: Re: [Archers] Fwd: [SCA Kingdom of Atlantia ] I've finished my
album o f Atlantian heraldry. It...

Cog,

Does Trimaris currently have any equivalent to the YewBow?  This proposal

seems to be like a non-polling version of the it (and the terminology

seems to be very WhiteScarf'ish (Provosts and Free Scholars) :))

Dealla

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From: "John Atkins" <cogworks at triad.rr.com>
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Subject: Re: [Archers] Fwd: [SCA Kingdom of Atlantia ] I've finished my
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 11:16:11 -0400

Nope.  Attached is an missile guild proposal for Trimaris.  Something to
consider?

CJ

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Did anyone know Atlantia had an Archer's Guild???  Apparently there was at
some point, and it even has heraldry registered!!
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12:45am Aug 18 

I've finished my album of Atlantian heraldry. It should include all items
registered to Atlantia or any branch within Atlantia. Note: This does
include defunct groups that still have items registered (like the Barony of
Myrkewood for example). There are a few that I don't know what they're
for... Feel free to comment :-)

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