[Archers] Atlatl Rules Final voting

Mon Sep 2 09:36:14 PDT 2013

Thank you Reyne, for the comments. I will add them to my list. 

Thanks. Janyn

From: archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
[mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Robyn Becker
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 10:17 AM
To: Atlantian Archers
Subject: Re: [Archers] Atlatl Rules Final voting

I took some time in the late afternoon to toss some darts as well, and for
the most part, I concur with Enequy's conclusions.  But I also had a
sicussion afterwards with Jonathas, and had an interesting idea, which I
kind of like.  It would mean using the 120cm target, but scoring 1-10, for
every ring, instead of 1-5, for each color.  it would mean more potential
points, and further down the line, more challenge for those who become more
skilled.

I am one of those who actually has more trouble hitting the target at 20
yards than 30 or 40, simply because I used to throw javelin for distance in
HS and college.  I didn't get any hits on the 80cm for either the 20 yard
regular round or the speed round.  But I could hit the 120cm.

So my conclusions are:

1 - 6 darts

2 - 120 cm, scoring 1-10 points

3 - keep timed rounds

4 - 3 rounds of 20, 20 timed, 30 and 40 yards for a rank

5 - no ranks for a year (agreed), but still have a score reporting system to
gather data to determine how ranks should be set up.

Reyne

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From: enequy at verizon.net
To: jaynardone at comcast.net; archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 08:48:06 -0400
Subject: Re: [Archers] Atlatl Rules Final voting

Good morning everyone. Well thanks to Jonathas I was able to set up the
Atlatl practice range and ran it most of the day, until about 3:30. There
were a few of the people that do shoot the Atlatl show up and a number of
new people that had never shot it before. I set the targets side by side and
set the range so we could shoot at 20, 30, and 40 yards. I asked everyone to
shoot for the large target with a set of darts and then shoot at the smaller
target with a set of darts. A set of darts consisted of 6 darts. I even did
a timed round three times, and one time with experienced throwers. 

1) With the newbees the general consensus was that the smaller target was
the best one to go with. One said that the big one was nice but after a bit
of practice the smaller one was the best for long term shooting. There was a
number of experienced throwers that said the 80 cm target is the best one to
use. Smaller than the 120 and larger then the standard archery target of 60
sm.

2) I We all used 6 darts instead of three. Everyone that was out there said
that was the preferred quantity to throw each time. There was even the
comment that you need six to determine your aim and mistakes ( the same as
in archery). 

3) No one out there did real well on getting points. But then there was the
newbees and the rest have not done a lot of throwing waiting for the final
rules. But talking to Allen where he does do Atlatl on Sundays. He has a
number of throwers that are really good at the short ranges - and that is
probably where most people will make there points. The points for this will
not reach anything like archery. I would recommend that we go without ranks
for one year to see where people make their average scores and use that as a
guide to generate ranks for the Atlatl in the future.

4) Ran three timed rounds. The first time I did it was just to see if I
could get off 6 safely. I had 8 seconds to spare. The next time I did it was
trying to be accurate and still had a few seconds to spare along with others
that were shooting at the same time. The third time was the same. Each time
I did the timed round there was no safety issue as everyone paid attention
to the line, the same as in archery. One person that did it with me got five
off. Even in archery until you are experienced in doing a timed round you do
not always get six arrows off. 

5) the 80 cm target had two of the white foam used at commercial ranges. The
120 cm had the double layers of the foam picked up at Home depot. In both
cases the point of the dart usually made it all the way through the target
and stuck out enough to see the metal point but I never saw the wood on the
back of the target. 

Conclusion

1) use six darts

2) use the 80 cm target

3) keep the timed rounds at 20 yards

4) three rounds of 20, 20 timed, 30, and 40 to make an average

5) no ranks set up for one year to evaluate the points system

Enequy Erensaurlezelasgarria, Menditarra

(Etxatxu Enequy Jaudonebiquendiosteaco)

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From: archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
[mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org]On Behalf Of Jay Nardone
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 10:39 PM
To: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: [Archers] Atlatl Rules Final voting

Good evening everyone, I probably should wait until the morning to do this
but I wanted to get word out to everyone. I want to thank Master Jonathas
once again for setting up the 88cm and the 122cm targets at Lochmere Shoot
today. I saw many people throwing Atlatl at both and I would like to hear
opinions and the voting for one of the two target sizes. I will then make
the final decision based off of your input. At this point we are only
talking about the target sizes as we have already set the other items in
past discussions. Once the target selection is complete, I will send out a
recap note and move forward to have the Atlatl rules posted. I want to thank
you all for taking part of this discussion and helping us move forward with
this too.

In Service,

Janyn

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