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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thank you Reyne, for the comments. I will add them to my list. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks… Janyn<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org [mailto:archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robyn Becker<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 02, 2013 10:17 AM<br><b>To:</b> Atlantian Archers<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Archers] Atlatl Rules Final voting<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I took some time in the late afternoon to toss some darts as well, and for the most part, I concur with Enequy's conclusions. But I also had a sicussion afterwards with Jonathas, and had an interesting idea, which I kind of like. It would mean using the 120cm target, but scoring 1-10, for every ring, instead of 1-5, for each color. it would mean more potential points, and further down the line, more challenge for those who become more skilled.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I am one of those who actually has more trouble hitting the target at 20 yards than 30 or 40, simply because I used to throw javelin for distance in HS and college. I didn't get any hits on the 80cm for either the 20 yard regular round or the speed round. But I could hit the 120cm.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>So my conclusions are:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>1 - 6 darts<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>2 - 120 cm, scoring 1-10 points<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>3 - keep timed rounds<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>4 - 3 rounds of 20, 20 timed, 30 and 40 yards for a rank<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>5 - no ranks for a year (agreed), but still have a score reporting system to gather data to determine how ranks should be set up.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Reyne<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center id=stopSpelling></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From: <a href="mailto:enequy@verizon.net">enequy@verizon.net</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:jaynardone@comcast.net">jaynardone@comcast.net</a>; <a href="mailto:archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a><br>Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 08:48:06 -0400<br>Subject: Re: [Archers] Atlatl Rules Final voting<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=ecx013120312-01092013><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Good morning everyone. Well thanks to Jonathas I was able to set up the Atlatl practice range and ran it most of the day, until about 3:30. There were a few of the people that do shoot the Atlatl show up and a number of new people that had never shot it before. I set the targets side by side and set the range so we could shoot at 20, 30, and 40 yards. I asked everyone to shoot for the large target with a set of darts and then shoot at the smaller target with a set of darts. A set of darts consisted of 6 darts. I even did a timed round three times, and one time with experienced throwers. </span></span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=ecx013120312-01092013><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>1) With the newbees the general consensus was that the smaller target was the best one to go with. One said that the big one was nice but after a bit of practice the smaller one was the best for long term shooting. There was a number of experienced throwers that said the 80 cm target is the best one to use. Smaller than the 120 and larger then the standard archery target of 60 sm.</span></span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=ecx013120312-01092013><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>2) I We all used 6 darts instead of three. Everyone that was out there said that was the preferred quantity to throw each time. There was even the comment that you need six to determine your aim and mistakes ( the same as in archery). </span></span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=ecx013120312-01092013><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>3) No one out there did real well on getting points. But then there was the newbees and the rest have not done a lot of throwing waiting for the final rules. But talking to Allen where he does do Atlatl on Sundays. He has a number of throwers that are really good at the short ranges - and that is probably where most people will make there points. The points for this will not reach anything like archery. I would recommend that we go without ranks for one year to see where people make their average scores and use that as a guide to generate ranks for the Atlatl in the future.</span></span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=ecx013120312-01092013><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>4) Ran three timed rounds. The first time I did it was just to see if I could get off 6 safely. I had 8 seconds to spare. The next time I did it was trying to be accurate and still had a few seconds to spare along with others that were shooting at the same time. The third time was the same. Each time I did the timed round there was no safety issue as everyone paid attention to the line, the same as in archery. One person that did it with me got five off. Even in archery until you are experienced in doing a timed round you do not always get six arrows off. </span></span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=ecx013120312-01092013><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>5) the 80 cm target had two of the white foam used at commercial ranges. The 120 cm had the double layers of the foam picked up at Home depot. In both cases the point of the dart usually made it all the way through the target and stuck out enough to see the metal point but I never saw the wood on the back of the target. </span></span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=ecx013120312-01092013><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Conclusion</span></span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=ecx013120312-01092013><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>1) use six darts</span></span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=ecx013120312-01092013><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>2) use the 80 cm target</span></span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=ecx013120312-01092013><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>3) keep the timed rounds at 20 yards</span></span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=ecx013120312-01092013><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>4) three rounds of 20, 20 timed, 30, and 40 to make an average</span></span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=ecx013120312-01092013><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>5) no ranks set up for one year to evaluate the points system</span></span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=ecx013120312-01092013><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Enequy Erensaurlezelasgarria, Menditarra</span></span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=ecx013120312-01092013><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>(</span></span><span class=ecx013120312-01092013>Etxatxu Enequy Jaudonebiquendiosteaco)</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>-----Original Message-----<br><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a> [<a href="mailto:archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">mailto:archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a>]<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jay Nardone<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, August 31, 2013 10:39 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Archers] Atlatl Rules Final voting</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Good evening everyone, I probably should wait until the morning to do this but I wanted to get word out to everyone. I want to thank Master Jonathas once again for setting up the 88cm and the 122cm targets at Lochmere Shoot today. I saw many people throwing Atlatl at both and I would like to hear opinions and the voting for one of the two target sizes. I will then make the final decision based off of your input. At this point we are only talking about the target sizes as we have already set the other items in past discussions. Once the target selection is complete, I will send out a recap note and move forward to have the Atlatl rules posted. I want to thank you all for taking part of this discussion and helping us move forward with this too.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>In Service,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Janyn<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><br>_______________________________________________ Archers mailing list <a href="mailto:Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">Archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a> <a href="http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/listinfo.cgi/archers-atlantia.sca.org">http://seahorse.atlantia.sca.org/listinfo.cgi/archers-atlantia.sca.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>