[Archers] Atlatl Rules Final voting

[Robyn Becker]

I took some time in the late afternoon to toss some darts as well, and for the most part, I concur with Enequy's conclusions.  But I also had a sicussion afterwards with Jonathas, and had an interesting idea, which I kind of like.  It would mean using the 120cm target, but scoring 1-10, for every ring, instead of 1-5, for each color.  it would mean more potential points, and further down the line, more challenge for those who become more skilled.
I am one of those who actually has more trouble hitting the target at 20 yards than 30 or 40, simply because I used to throw javelin for distance in HS and college.  I didn't get any hits on the 80cm for either the 20 yard regular round or the speed round.  But I could hit the 120cm.
So my conclusions are:1 - 6 darts2 - 120 cm, scoring 1-10 points3 - keep timed rounds4 - 3 rounds of 20, 20 timed, 30 and 40 yards for a rank5 - no ranks for a year (agreed), but still have a score reporting system to gather data to determine how ranks should be set up.
Reyne

From: enequy at verizon.net
To: jaynardone at comcast.net; archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 08:48:06 -0400
Subject: Re: [Archers] Atlatl Rules Final voting










Good morning 
everyone. Well thanks to Jonathas I was able to set up the Atlatl practice 
range and ran it most of the day, until about 3:30. There were a few of the 
people that do shoot the Atlatl show up and a number of new people that had 
never shot it before. I set the targets side by side and set the range so we 
could shoot at 20, 30, and 40 yards. I asked everyone to shoot for the large 
target with a set of darts and then shoot at the smaller target with a set of 
darts. A set of darts consisted of 6 darts. I even did a timed round three 
times, and one time with experienced throwers. 
 
1) With the newbees 
the general consensus was that the smaller target was the best one to go with. 
One said that the big one was nice but after a bit of practice the smaller one 
was the best for long term shooting. There was a number of experienced throwers 
that said the 80 cm target is the best one to use. Smaller than the 120 and 
larger then the standard archery target of 60 sm.
 
2) I We all used 6 
darts instead of three. Everyone that was out there said that was the preferred 
quantity to throw each time. There was even the comment that you need six to 
determine your aim and mistakes ( the same as in archery). 
 
3) No one out there 
did real well on getting points. But then there was the newbees and the rest 
have not done a lot of throwing waiting for the final rules. But talking to 
Allen where he does do Atlatl on Sundays. He has a number of throwers that are 
really good at the short ranges - and that is probably where most people will 
make there points. The points for this will not reach anything like archery. I 
would recommend that we go without ranks for one year to see where people make 
their average scores and use that as a guide to generate ranks for the Atlatl in 
the future.
 
4) Ran three timed 
rounds. The first time I did it was just to see if I could get off 6 safely. I 
had 8 seconds to spare. The next time I did it was trying to be 
accurate and still had a few seconds to spare along with others that 
were shooting at the same time. The third time was the same. Each time I 
did the timed round there was no safety issue as everyone paid attention to the 
line, the same as in archery. One person that did it with me got five off. Even 
in archery until you are experienced in doing a timed round you do not always 
get six arrows off. 
 
5) the 80 cm target 
had two of the white foam used at commercial ranges. The 120 cm had the double 
layers of the foam picked up at Home depot. In both cases the point of the dart 
usually made it all the way through the target and stuck out enough to see the 
metal point but I never saw the wood on the back of the target. 

 
Conclusion
1) use six 
darts
2) use the 80 cm 
target
3) keep the timed 
rounds at 20 yards
4) three rounds of 
20, 20 timed, 30, and 40 to make an average
5) no ranks set up 
for one year to evaluate the points system
 
Enequy 
Erensaurlezelasgarria, Menditarra
(Etxatxu Enequy 
Jaudonebiquendiosteaco)

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  [mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org]On Behalf Of Jay 
  Nardone
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 10:39 PM
To: 
  archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: [Archers] Atlatl Rules 
  Final voting


  
  Good evening everyone, I probably should wait until the 
  morning to do this but I wanted to get word out to everyone. I want to thank 
  Master Jonathas once again for setting up the 88cm and the 122cm targets at 
  Lochmere Shoot today. I saw many people throwing Atlatl at both and I would 
  like to hear opinions and the voting for one of the two target sizes. I will 
  then make the final decision based off of your input. At this point we are 
  only talking about the target sizes as we have already set the other items in 
  past discussions. Once the target selection is complete, I will send out a 
  recap note and move forward to have the Atlatl rules posted. I want to thank 
  you all for taking part of this discussion and helping us move forward with 
  this too.
   
  In Service,
   
  Janyn
   

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