[Archers] WoW incident

[Jay Nardone]

Baroness, I agree this was the way it should have ended and I also thank Sir
Afshin for his assistance. In my opinion this should have never happened but
so be it, Im sure it wont be our last...

Janyn


-----Original Message-----
From: archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
[mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of
lady_esperanza at cox.net
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 2:08 PM
To: John Atkins; archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: Re: [Archers] WoW incident

Sir Afshin and his squire should be applauded for their follow up action.
I'm glad to hear that his squire did offer an apology. That is commendable. 

Baroness Esperanza
(who witnessed the incident) 


---- John Atkins <cogworks at triad.rr.com> wrote: 
> Archers,
> 
> During the Champion's Shoot at War of the Wings an incident occurred 
> that I would like to flesh out for all on this list and those who were 
> participating in the shoot and witnessed it.  First a description of 
> the incident.
> 
>  
> 
> As archery is typically located in the "back forty" of most event 
> sites it was my intention to bring it out for the populace to view, 
> much like the Grand Exhibition Tournament at Gulf Wars.  Thus, two 
> hours before court I set a range on the battle field behind but within 
> view of where court was going to be held.  There were several fighters 
> still on the field doing pickups but I set the range such that we were 
> shooting away from them and left them plenty of room to do their 
> thing.  As we were shooting one squire began walking down the tree line
about 60 yards away from our shooting line.
> However, he continued walking until he, unknown  to him, entered our 
> 45 degree safety zone/cone.  We shouted to him that he was going onto 
> a live weapons range (we had to shout due to his distance from us).  
> He responded that he was "just trying to find his stuff" left on the 
> field.  Reluctantly he moved out of our safety zone.  However, he then 
> got his truck and drove into the back of our range, about 75 yards 
> down range, got out of the vehicle and resumed his equipment search.  
> Again we shouted with no response.  As Baron Achbar was near us, we 
> asked him to "talk" with the young squire, which he did and ultimately 
> the squire left the field, obviously not happy.  In both cases as we 
> were telling the squire he was in our safety zone and to clear the 
> field, he responded that he was "too far away" to be an issue.  
> However, when he drove his truck on the field I  had a few 
> "volunteers" to "put a shaft or two in his tire" to make the point 
> that our weapons could easily carry the range at which he was.  As I 
> am mostly a lazy person and did NOT want to deal with the paperwork, 
> we did not shoot the squire nor his truck, haha.  However, when I 
> relayed the story/incident to Doubghal, our site coordinator, 
> household brother of the squire and a heavy himself, he said it would 
> be no issue, When I reminded him of the paperwork, he said it would be 
> no issue if we buried the body!  J (That's Doubghal.)
> 
>  
> 
> I believe this incident brings up a few points.  Most non-archers have 
> no clue how powerful our weapons are.  In this case with all Champions 
> on the line, their weapons could easily fling a shaft 150 yards or 
> more.  As many of them are hunters hitting something at 100 yards is a
very doable thing.
> In fact, after the champion shoot, just to prove the point, they set a 
> target at about 85 - 100 yards and shot at it.  Many do not know the 
> skill of the better shooters in the archery community.  There is the 
> perception that if they can move, archers will not be able to hit 
> them.  i.e. All we can hit is s static target.  Read Cam's Facebook 
> post to clear that misperception.  There are several other issues 
> represented and wrapped up in this incident that, as archers, we are 
> all painfully aware of.  Generally heavies hate archers unless we are 
> on their side and hit what they point out.  I believe there is also 
> the perception that archery is what a heavy does when they are "too 
> old" to continue fighting.  Again as archers these are issues we all 
> know about but what's important is the relationship between the archery
community and the heavy community.
> 
>  
> 
> Now the MAIN point of this post is the what happened afterwards.  When 
> I talked with Doubghal about it, he said he would talk to the squire's 
> knight, Sir Afshin.  Apparently that was done because Sunday during 
> break down Sir Afshin came into my camp with his squire and apologized for
the incident.
> This was a difficult thing for the squire to do because he felt he was 
> treated in a less that chivalrous manner during the incident.  
> Perceptions are perceptions but I believe the main point here is that 
> the squire apologized for the incident and I believe he should be
commended for that.
> We parted on amicable terms and I believe Sir Afshin and his squire 
> should be applauded for their follow up action.
> 
>  
> 
> Christophe of Grey
> 
> Archery MIC for War of the Wings
> 
>  
> 

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