[Archers] Archery bottlenecks

[Jonathas]

Jeeze Cog, you had to make it into Crossbow vs Handbow thang didn't ya!  ;)

Seriously though, Cog does have a point.  I had the "joy" of shooting with
not one of this style crossbow archer a few years back in the Pennsic
Master's Tourney, it was even driving their team mates crazy.

One solution I've seen used a few places is to set a maximum time limit on
*ALL* stations.  Just set that time limit high enough that for your typical
archer there is plenty of time to shoot the required number of arrows,
something like 15~20 seconds per arrow, so a six arrow station would have
about 2 minutes to shoot.  Plenty of time if you keep moving but not enough
time if you want to over analyze every shot, and no where close to a
"speed/timed" shoot.

Jonathas


On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 11:05 AM, John Atkins <cogworks at triad.rr.com> wrote:

> Holly/Nuala,****
>
> Excellent points.  I think #12 below covers it but let me expand in case
> it didn’t.  Difficult or complicated scoring.  The scoring marshal should
> be able to score most shafts from 10 feet away.  I know that is not always
> possible nor the most accurate but my point is there should NOT be a 10
> minute discussion about whether or not the shaft is worth 3 points or 4
> points!****
>
> ** **
>
> And not to be harsh on my crossbow buddies, but they do tend to take
> considerably longer to shoot than the handbow folks.  At Pennsic it is
> quite typical for a corssbowman to shoot, then take a minute or three to
> decide was it in or not?  Should I change my aiming point?  We have all
> seen these crossbowmen take a very long time to get off 6 bolts.  Consider
> that in your target/shooting station design. Or maybe the Atlantian
> crossbowmen could “teach” the other kingdom crossbowmen how to shoot
> faster!  J  Typically very small targets at distance are the cause of
> this bottleneck.****
>
> ** **
>
> And as long as we are still in the planning stages of this shoot, how
> about an “award” for the worst score of an archer with an RR average of 60
> or higher?  They would have to eat a bowl of that “pink stuff” Colum seems
> to favor from the ice cream vendors.  Hahahahaha  Sometimes I just crack
> myself up………………****
>
> ** **
>
> Cog……….now running from Colum………how far can he shoot?****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org [mailto:
> archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] *On Behalf Of *Holly Gibbons
> *Sent:* Monday, March 26, 2012 9:21 AM
> *To:* archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> *Subject:* [Archers] Archery bottlenecks****
>
> ** **
>
> Greetings, archers! Some thoughts on targets for St. Sebastian's and the
> issue of bottlenecks. . .****
>
>  ****
>
> In our experience, there are different of kinds of bottlenecks. Here's
> just a sampling below with a bunch of examples and you all can think of
> many more. Everyone  of us has seen these bottlenecks at our shoots, some
> of which can be easily avoided by rewriting the target instructions or by
> physical adjustments. Usually if it's a normal shoot these things don't
> cause a terrible problem, but for a large shoot like St. Sebastian's, it's
> wise to think carefully about every one of these possibilities. Some target
> ideas are fantastic and clever but just will not be a good idea for St.
> Sebastian's.****
>
>  ****
>
> The first and most common kind of bottleneck is caused by the number of
> archers who can shoot or retrieve at a time:****
>
> 1. stations that require shooters to go one at a time or minimize the
> numbers of shooters at a time (like 2 at a time)****
>
> 2. stations that require retrieving arrows after only one or two shooters*
> ***
>
>  ****
>
> The second kind of bottleneck is a target/range design bottleneck:****
>
> 3. targets that are complicated to "reset" physically****
>
> 4. stations where a lot of arrows get lost****
>
> 5. target designs where pulling arrows is physically difficult ****
>
> 6. stations where it is physically difficult to get on and off the
> shooting line****
>
> 7. targets with some kind of mechanical or physical failure point, like
> things falling off in the wind and having to be put back****
>
> 8. a range where several stations share a safety zone and are ganged
> together****
>
>  ****
>
> The third kind of bottleneck occurs because of the written target
> instructions: ****
>
> 9. stations requiring a "target check" - - - these are usually situations
> where you can shoot an arrow but then need to know if the arrow has "hit"
> before deciding where to aim the next arrow****
>
> 10. stations that require deciphering complicated instructions because
> everyone stands there and reads and rereads and discusses the instructions
> instead of shooting right away****
>
> 11. timed stations where the timer is hard to operate or reset or means
> only half the group shoots at a time****
>
> 12. complicated scoring where everyone has to count very carefully or do
> math, which ends in much discussion****
>
>  ****
>
> Then there are other kinds of "human" bottlenecks:****
>
> 13. stations that require many arrows per archer, not timed, because some
> folks really take their time****
>
> 14. children or novices****
>
> 15. line marshals who get distracted while people wait to shoot****
>
>  ****
>
>
>
>  ****
>
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