[Archers] 4th Peerage

[Jay Nardone]

Not like we didn't think this topic would generate discussion, but I agree
that what Godai discusses is at the crux of our issue. I think Baroness
Martelle was also right on the money but it applies for  the current Laurel
or Pelican and that is why I don't see us ever fitting into those orders.
Knights are Knights for one purpose, to fight and their martial abilities. I
am sure their chivalric side is also shown from time to time and part of
their order but the martial aspect is key to the very existence of the
order. We follow that same path except we get a chance to excel in the A&S
aspects as well to further our activities. I wouldn't even know where to
begin to gather all the documentation required to submit someone
successfully in the order of the Laurel or Pelican from the archery
community. I know as the Baroness stated we would have to rely on someone
that was a member already to carry the torch for the nominee for them to
even have a chance. Then I have to wonder what the rest of the order would
think not even knowing these folks, how would they really vote? I just can't
wrap my head around why we can't have an order that recognizes us for what
we do, top to bottom. Who's member understand and know those who are being
submitted. Someone way back at the beginning of this discussion mentioned
that it was simply sour grapes  or fear that we would dilute their order and
I just think it is time for them to get over it. After all we all pay the
same amount for membership and are all equal members. As a combat archer and
heavy fighter, I have never seen the heavy side grow in numbers as much as
archery does almost every year. COG also mentioned that we are the only
group that truly uses equipment just like it was in our various periods
(minus the modern gear some of us use from time to time) and it is time to
have the recognition that archery deserves!

 

Janyn

 

 

From: archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
[mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Gordon
Kinnie
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 5:51 PM
To: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: [Archers] 4th Peerage

 

My two cents worth.

 

I would like the current peerages to recognize the efforts that archers,
siege engineers and rapier fighters put into their trade.

 

I will use myself as an example - 
I shoot a fiberglass and bamboo Japanese longbow in the Japanese form, a
historical bow or as we call it a period bow.

Over the last few years I have used bamboo arrows, hardwood footed arrows,
conical footed arrows, changed spine 4 or 5 times, changed feathers from 3
to 4 back to 3 fletch, tried hand cut feathers and returned to shield cut,
changed my forward of center on arrows.  All these things required research
and learning a new skill set.  

This was all done to perfect the martial skill and my accuracy with this
bow.  This is a science, this is the science of archery but it will never be
seen by anyone but the other archers as my scores in RR slowly rise with
each improvement and few outside the archery community understand the
efforts or the science involved.

 

I have helped set up and take down many shoots, painted and drawn many
targets, and helped marshal more times than can be counted.  I have worked
with newcomers, youth and at pennsic to teach archery and provide a safe
environment.  

These efforts are done because I love archery and think everyone should have
fun and learn about archery.  Sadly, this service to the community is seen
by archers and few others.  Few except archers understand the real efforts
that are put forth.

 

I have written and taught lessons on the Basic of Archery, the History of
the bow in Japan, making Japanese Arrows.  I have helped write the new
archery 101 course, wrote the new CA 101 course, wrote the CA exam, helped
update the CA rules.  I have made a set of Japanese arrows with the intent
of showing them at 30th as an A&S project.  (did not make it back on Sunday,
so no one has seen them 

Those with an interest in archery and few others have seen or even know of
these things. 

 

 

This is an example, do I think I deserves a peerage - NO. 

 

 

 I know many who have done much more than this in all the martial activities
of rapier, siege and archery and have received the highest honors that the
activity has to bestow.   I feel that those that put forth the effort in
each of these activities, up hold the ideals and support the society,
deserve to be recognized by their peers.

I believe that is what a peerage is, the recognition of outstanding efforts
by your peers in your community.  

 

 

Godai

 

 

    

 

From: archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
[mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Jamie
Frailey
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 4:39 PM
To: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: Re: [Archers] Archers Digest, Vol 101, Issue 32

 

"But I think the point that most accomplished archers make their own arrows,
strings, quivers and arm guards versus most heavies that buy all their
armor, weapons and shields is not really a fair comparison.  Not arguing for
or against, just pointing out some things that stand out to me."

 

I Agree! But it isn't period. I think there are many of us that could adapt
to period style equipment and do pretty well. But as long as we are critical
of rattan we need to remember our bows are store bought (not everyone) and
don't really resemble medieval bows.

 

I think the point of all this is no matter where we get are gear and what we
shoot with we do not have a peerage home for the art off archery and
shooting. We do have a place to strive for the art of creating but not being
an awesome skilled archer.

 

Seamus.

 

 

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