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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Not like we didn’t think this topic would generate discussion, but I agree that what Godai discusses is at the crux of our issue. I think Baroness Martelle was also right on the money but it applies for the current Laurel or Pelican and that is why I don’t see us ever fitting into those orders. Knights are Knights for one purpose, to fight and their martial abilities. I am sure their chivalric side is also shown from time to time and part of their order but the martial aspect is key to the very existence of the order. We follow that same path except we get a chance to excel in the A&S aspects as well to further our activities. I wouldn’t even know where to begin to gather all the documentation required to submit someone successfully in the order of the Laurel or Pelican from the archery community. I know as the Baroness stated we would have to rely on someone that was a member already to carry the torch for the nominee for them to even have a chance. Then I have to wonder what the rest of the order would think not even knowing these folks, how would they really vote? I just can’t wrap my head around why we can’t have an order that recognizes us for what we do, top to bottom. Who’s member understand and know those who are being submitted. Someone way back at the beginning of this discussion mentioned that it was simply sour grapes or fear that we would dilute their order and I just think it is time for them to get over it. After all we all pay the same amount for membership and are all equal members. As a combat archer and heavy fighter, I have never seen the heavy side grow in numbers as much as archery does almost every year. COG also mentioned that we are the only group that truly uses equipment just like it was in our various periods (minus the modern gear some of us use from time to time) and it is time to have the recognition that archery deserves!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Janyn<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org [mailto:archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gordon Kinnie<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 16, 2012 5:51 PM<br><b>To:</b> archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org<br><b>Subject:</b> [Archers] 4th Peerage<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>My two cents worth.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>I would like the current peerages to recognize the efforts that archers, siege engineers and rapier fighters put into their trade.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>I will use myself as an example - <br>I shoot a fiberglass and bamboo Japanese longbow in the Japanese form, a historical bow or as we call it a <b>period bow</b>.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Over the last few years I have used bamboo arrows, hardwood footed arrows, conical footed arrows, changed spine 4 or 5 times, changed feathers from 3 to 4 back to 3 fletch, tried hand cut feathers and returned to shield cut, changed my forward of center on arrows. All these things required research and learning a new skill set. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>This was all done to perfect the martial skill and my accuracy with this bow. This is a science, this is the science of archery but it will never be seen by anyone but the other archers as my scores in RR slowly rise with each improvement and few outside the archery community understand the efforts or the science involved.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>I have helped set up and take down many shoots, painted and drawn many targets, and helped marshal more times than can be counted. I have worked with newcomers, youth and at pennsic to teach archery and provide a safe environment. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>These efforts are done because I love archery and think everyone should have fun and learn about archery. Sadly, this service to the community is seen by archers and few others. Few except archers understand the real efforts that are put forth.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>I have written and taught lessons on the Basic of Archery, the History of the bow in Japan, making Japanese Arrows. I have helped write the new archery 101 course, wrote the new CA 101 course, wrote the CA exam, helped update the CA rules. I have made a set of Japanese arrows with the intent of showing them at 30<sup>th</sup> as an A&S project. (did not make it back on Sunday, so no one has seen them <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Those with an interest in archery and few others have seen or even know of these things. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>This is an example, do I think I deserves a peerage – NO. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'> I know many who have done much more than this in all the martial activities of rapier, siege and archery and have received the highest honors that the activity has to bestow. I feel that those that put forth the effort in each of these activities, up hold the ideals and support the society, deserve to be recognized by their peers.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>I believe that is what a peerage is, the recognition of outstanding efforts by your peers in your community. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Godai<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org [mailto:archers-bounces@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jamie Frailey<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 16, 2012 4:39 PM<br><b>To:</b> archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Archers] Archers Digest, Vol 101, Issue 32<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>"But I think the point that most accomplished archers make their own arrows,<br>strings, quivers and arm guards versus most heavies that buy all their<br>armor, weapons and shields is not really a fair comparison. Not arguing for<br>or against, just pointing out some things that stand out to me."<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I Agree! But it isn't period. I think there are many of us that could adapt to period style equipment and do pretty well. But as long as we are critical of rattan we need to remember our bows are store bought (not everyone) and don't really resemble medieval bows.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I think the point of all this is no matter where we get are gear and what we shoot with we do not have a peerage home for the art off archery and shooting. We do have a place to strive for the art of creating but not being an awesome skilled archer.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Seamus.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>