[Archers] Archers Digest, Vol 111, Issue 6

[Jamie Frailey]

WOW! Good job Janyn.

On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 12:24 PM,
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>    1. Waivers required or not? (Jay Nardone)
>    2. Re: Waivers required or not? (Jonathas)
>    3. Re: Waivers required or not? (Siegfried)
>    4. Use of Waivers for Target Archery (jaynardone at comcast.net)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 20:23:26 -0500
> From: "Jay Nardone" <jaynardone at comcast.net>
> To: <archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
> Subject: [Archers] Waivers required or not?
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> Good evening all, as promised I have talked with many key Officers tonight,
> to include Rozsa the Kingdom Seneschal and Sir Otto about this waiver
> issue.
> As much as I wanted it to be my decision it seems it is really not. The SCA
> has levied new rules for what they call "official announcements" and more
> will be coming concerning the use of "social media" such as Facebook and
> the
> like to advertise SCA events and information. The word I now understand is
> we have 2 ways of looking at things, this is what I was told;
>
>
>
> 1.       If we advertise "official" practices or events on any site that is
> considered "official", we must complete waivers for non-members and youth,
> period...
>
> 2.       If you don't advertise practices on your branch web pages or other
> media sites considered official by the new rules, you will not be required
> to complete waivers...
>
>
>
> So, it seems this is out of my hands as I can't provide guidance that is
> encompassing to all. I would hate to not advertise practices only to save
> completion of some paperwork. Waivers are good for a month and don't need
> to
> be done each time the same archers show up. They only need to be updated
> and
> then submitted at the end of the month.
>
>
>
> So that is all I know at this point. I can tell you from my Webminster
> efforts there is more of this stuff to come and I still have no clue in
> hell
> how the Kingdom is going to manage all of these waivers? Maybe they will
> get
> enough complaints to change things, but at this point it seems we are stuck
> with this.
>
>
>
> So to be clear, if you advertise Archery practice on your branch web page
> or
> even advertise it on Facebook with the SCA in the title, you WILL be
> required to complete and submit waivers.
>
>
>
> If I hear anything different, I will let you know..
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> In Service,
>
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>
> Janyn
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> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 08:28:21 -0500
> From: Jonathas <Jonathas at RedFoxDen.org>
> To: Jay Nardone <jaynardone at comcast.net>
> Cc: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> Subject: Re: [Archers] Waivers required or not?
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> Reading this gave me an idea.....  I wonder where we already have a list of
> all our active archers, hmm I wonder?
>
> I will look into adding a printable roster style waiver one the Scores
> Site, complete with the waiver verbiage, and a list archers both with and
> without memberships to make it easy to know who needs to sign each month.
> If I can make it work it will at least make the process less painful.
>
> Jonathas
> On Dec 4, 2012 8:23 PM, "Jay Nardone" <jaynardone at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Good evening all, as promised I have talked with many key Officers
> > tonight, to include Rozsa the Kingdom Seneschal and Sir Otto about this
> > waiver issue. As much as I wanted it to be my decision it seems it is
> > really not. The SCA has levied new rules for what they call ?official
> > announcements? and more will be coming concerning the use of ?social
> media?
> > such as Facebook and the like to advertise SCA events and information.
> The
> > word I now understand is we have 2 ways of looking at things, this is
> what
> > I was told;****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > **1.       **If we advertise ?official? practices or events on any site
> > that is considered ?official?, we must complete waivers for non-members
> and
> > youth, period?..****
> >
> > **2.       **If you don?t advertise practices on your branch web pages or
> > other media sites considered official by the new rules, you will not be
> > required to complete waivers?..****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > So, it seems this is out of my hands as I can?t provide guidance that is
> > encompassing to all. I would hate to not advertise practices only to save
> > completion of some paperwork. Waivers are good for a month and don?t need
> > to be done each time the same archers show up. They only need to be
> updated
> > and then submitted at the end of the month.****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > So that is all I know at this point. I can tell you from my Webminster
> > efforts there is more of this stuff to come and I still have no clue in
> > hell how the Kingdom is going to manage all of these waivers? Maybe they
> > will get enough complaints to change things, but at this point it seems
> we
> > are stuck with this. ****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > So to be clear, if you advertise Archery practice on your branch web page
> > or even advertise it on Facebook with the SCA in the title, you WILL be
> > required to complete and submit waivers.****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > If I hear anything different, I will let you know?.****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > In Service,****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > Janyn****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > ** **
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2012 12:16:49 -0500
> From: Siegfried <siegfried at crossbows.biz>
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> Subject: Re: [Archers] Waivers required or not?
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> An interesting idea, though that only includes archers who 'score Royal
> Rounds'.   I know at least for Highland Foorde, that probably 90% of our
> archers don't ever end up scoring a royal.
>
> Also - You might run into some privacy/SCA issues with the Society, at
> essentially publishing a list of everyone's SCA numbers.  (Because
> without an expiration & number, you don't actually know they have a
> valid card).   Which even the Marshals lists don't do.
>
> 2 cents
>
> Siegfried
>
>
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> On 12/5/12 8:28 AM, Jonathas wrote:
> > Reading this gave me an idea.....  I wonder where we already have a list
> > of all our active archers, hmm I wonder?
> >
> > I will look into adding a printable roster style waiver one the Scores
> > Site, complete with the waiver verbiage, and a list archers both with
> > and without memberships to make it easy to know who needs to sign each
> > month.  If I can make it work it will at least make the process less
> > painful.
> >
> > Jonathas
>
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> Barun Siegfried Sebastian Faust, OP - Baron Highland Foorde - Atlantia
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 17:24:17 +0000 (UTC)
> From: jaynardone at comcast.net
> To: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> Cc: seneschal at atlantia.sca.org
> Subject: [Archers] Use of Waivers for Target Archery
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> Good morning my Brothers and Sisters of the Bow, I spent most of the
> morning on the phone with the SCA offices to include the Society Deputy
> Earl Marshal TA discussing the issues we have been seeing with waivers. I
> have what I think is good news, this is the response from the Society Dep
> Earl Marshal:
>
>
>
> Greetings THL Janyn Fletcher, DEM Target Archery Atlantia,
>
>
>
> ?
>
> The best answer I have for you is "nothing has changed".
>
> Target archery or Thrown Weapons are not combat related and so waivers are
> not required even after a decade.
>
>
>
> ?
>
> ~YIS
>
> Lynette Dave'jean
>
> DEM of the Society for Target Archery and TW
>
>
>
> ?
>
>
>
> ?
>
>
>
> ?
>
>
>
> So based on her direction, we WILL NOT process waivers for Atlantian
> Target archery. If your branch Seneschal's are directing you to do so they
> are incorrect and I suggest you show them this direction. I do not want us
> doing different things across the Kingdom. I have included this email to
> the Kingdom Seneschal Rozsa so she has a record as well. I see no need to
> contribute to a mountain of paperwork for no reason until we are directed
> to do so. The concern here was the security of our insurance which in this
> case will remain in tact.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> This verbage below came from the Society years back in describing the
> definition of what "Combat" is defined as.
>
>
>
> ?
>
>
>
> ?
>
> "Any form of "combat-related activity" practice counts as a "combat or
> fighter practice". Corpora defines "combat-related activities" as armored
> combat (aka rattan fighting), period fencing, combat archery, marshalling,
> scouting, and banner-bearing in combat. According to a previous Board
> ruling, target archery is not considered a "combat-related activity", and
> so waivers are not required."
>
>
>
>
> I want to thank Master Siegfried for his help with information concerning
> this issue as well.
>
>
>
> In Service,
>
>
>
> THL Janyn Fletcher of Lancastreshire, DEM Target Archery Atlantia
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Regards,

Jamie Frailey
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