WOW! Good job Janyn.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 12:24 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:archers-request@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org" target="_blank">archers-request@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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1. Waivers required or not? (Jay Nardone)<br>
2. Re: Waivers required or not? (Jonathas)<br>
3. Re: Waivers required or not? (Siegfried)<br>
4. Use of Waivers for Target Archery (<a href="mailto:jaynardone@comcast.net">jaynardone@comcast.net</a>)<br>
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Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 20:23:26 -0500<br>
From: "Jay Nardone" <<a href="mailto:jaynardone@comcast.net">jaynardone@comcast.net</a>><br>
To: <<a href="mailto:archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a>><br>
Subject: [Archers] Waivers required or not?<br>
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Good evening all, as promised I have talked with many key Officers tonight,<br>
to include Rozsa the Kingdom Seneschal and Sir Otto about this waiver issue.<br>
As much as I wanted it to be my decision it seems it is really not. The SCA<br>
has levied new rules for what they call "official announcements" and more<br>
will be coming concerning the use of "social media" such as Facebook and the<br>
like to advertise SCA events and information. The word I now understand is<br>
we have 2 ways of looking at things, this is what I was told;<br>
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1. If we advertise "official" practices or events on any site that is<br>
considered "official", we must complete waivers for non-members and youth,<br>
period...<br>
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2. If you don't advertise practices on your branch web pages or other<br>
media sites considered official by the new rules, you will not be required<br>
to complete waivers...<br>
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So, it seems this is out of my hands as I can't provide guidance that is<br>
encompassing to all. I would hate to not advertise practices only to save<br>
completion of some paperwork. Waivers are good for a month and don't need to<br>
be done each time the same archers show up. They only need to be updated and<br>
then submitted at the end of the month.<br>
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So that is all I know at this point. I can tell you from my Webminster<br>
efforts there is more of this stuff to come and I still have no clue in hell<br>
how the Kingdom is going to manage all of these waivers? Maybe they will get<br>
enough complaints to change things, but at this point it seems we are stuck<br>
with this.<br>
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So to be clear, if you advertise Archery practice on your branch web page or<br>
even advertise it on Facebook with the SCA in the title, you WILL be<br>
required to complete and submit waivers.<br>
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If I hear anything different, I will let you know..<br>
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In Service,<br>
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Janyn<br>
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Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 08:28:21 -0500<br>
From: Jonathas <Jonathas@RedFoxDen.org><br>
To: Jay Nardone <<a href="mailto:jaynardone@comcast.net">jaynardone@comcast.net</a>><br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Archers] Waivers required or not?<br>
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Reading this gave me an idea..... I wonder where we already have a list of<br>
all our active archers, hmm I wonder?<br>
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I will look into adding a printable roster style waiver one the Scores<br>
Site, complete with the waiver verbiage, and a list archers both with and<br>
without memberships to make it easy to know who needs to sign each month.<br>
If I can make it work it will at least make the process less painful.<br>
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Jonathas<br>
On Dec 4, 2012 8:23 PM, "Jay Nardone" <<a href="mailto:jaynardone@comcast.net">jaynardone@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Good evening all, as promised I have talked with many key Officers<br>
> tonight, to include Rozsa the Kingdom Seneschal and Sir Otto about this<br>
> waiver issue. As much as I wanted it to be my decision it seems it is<br>
> really not. The SCA has levied new rules for what they call ?official<br>
> announcements? and more will be coming concerning the use of ?social media?<br>
> such as Facebook and the like to advertise SCA events and information. The<br>
> word I now understand is we have 2 ways of looking at things, this is what<br>
> I was told;****<br>
><br>
> ** **<br>
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> **1. **If we advertise ?official? practices or events on any site<br>
> that is considered ?official?, we must complete waivers for non-members and<br>
> youth, period?..****<br>
><br>
> **2. **If you don?t advertise practices on your branch web pages or<br>
> other media sites considered official by the new rules, you will not be<br>
> required to complete waivers?..****<br>
><br>
> ** **<br>
><br>
> So, it seems this is out of my hands as I can?t provide guidance that is<br>
> encompassing to all. I would hate to not advertise practices only to save<br>
> completion of some paperwork. Waivers are good for a month and don?t need<br>
> to be done each time the same archers show up. They only need to be updated<br>
> and then submitted at the end of the month.****<br>
><br>
> ** **<br>
><br>
> So that is all I know at this point. I can tell you from my Webminster<br>
> efforts there is more of this stuff to come and I still have no clue in<br>
> hell how the Kingdom is going to manage all of these waivers? Maybe they<br>
> will get enough complaints to change things, but at this point it seems we<br>
> are stuck with this. ****<br>
><br>
> ** **<br>
><br>
> So to be clear, if you advertise Archery practice on your branch web page<br>
> or even advertise it on Facebook with the SCA in the title, you WILL be<br>
> required to complete and submit waivers.****<br>
><br>
> ** **<br>
><br>
> If I hear anything different, I will let you know?.****<br>
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> ** **<br>
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> ** **<br>
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> In Service,****<br>
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> ** **<br>
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> Janyn****<br>
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Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2012 12:16:49 -0500<br>
From: Siegfried <<a href="mailto:siegfried@crossbows.biz">siegfried@crossbows.biz</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Archers] Waivers required or not?<br>
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An interesting idea, though that only includes archers who 'score Royal<br>
Rounds'. I know at least for Highland Foorde, that probably 90% of our<br>
archers don't ever end up scoring a royal.<br>
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Also - You might run into some privacy/SCA issues with the Society, at<br>
essentially publishing a list of everyone's SCA numbers. (Because<br>
without an expiration & number, you don't actually know they have a<br>
valid card). Which even the Marshals lists don't do.<br>
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2 cents<br>
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Siegfried<br>
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On 12/5/12 8:28 AM, Jonathas wrote:<br>
> Reading this gave me an idea..... I wonder where we already have a list<br>
> of all our active archers, hmm I wonder?<br>
><br>
> I will look into adding a printable roster style waiver one the Scores<br>
> Site, complete with the waiver verbiage, and a list archers both with<br>
> and without memberships to make it easy to know who needs to sign each<br>
> month. If I can make it work it will at least make the process less<br>
> painful.<br>
><br>
> Jonathas<br>
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Barun Siegfried Sebastian Faust, OP - Baron Highland Foorde - Atlantia<br>
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Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 17:24:17 +0000 (UTC)<br>
From: <a href="mailto:jaynardone@comcast.net">jaynardone@comcast.net</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org">archers@seahorse.atlantia.sca.org</a><br>
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Subject: [Archers] Use of Waivers for Target Archery<br>
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Good morning my Brothers and Sisters of the Bow, I spent most of the morning on the phone with the SCA offices to include the Society Deputy Earl Marshal TA discussing the issues we have been seeing with waivers. I have what I think is good news, this is the response from the Society Dep Earl Marshal:<br>
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Greetings THL Janyn Fletcher, DEM Target Archery Atlantia,<br>
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The best answer I have for you is "nothing has changed".<br>
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Target archery or Thrown Weapons are not combat related and so waivers are not required even after a decade.<br>
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~YIS<br>
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Lynette Dave'jean<br>
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DEM of the Society for Target Archery and TW<br>
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So based on her direction, we WILL NOT process waivers for Atlantian Target archery. If your branch Seneschal's are directing you to do so they are incorrect and I suggest you show them this direction. I do not want us doing different things across the Kingdom. I have included this email to the Kingdom Seneschal Rozsa so she has a record as well. I see no need to contribute to a mountain of paperwork for no reason until we are directed to do so. The concern here was the security of our insurance which in this case will remain in tact.<br>
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This verbage below came from the Society years back in describing the definition of what "Combat" is defined as.<br>
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"Any form of "combat-related activity" practice counts as a "combat or fighter practice". Corpora defines "combat-related activities" as armored combat (aka rattan fighting), period fencing, combat archery, marshalling, scouting, and banner-bearing in combat. According to a previous Board ruling, target archery is not considered a "combat-related activity", and so waivers are not required."<br>
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I want to thank Master Siegfried for his help with information concerning this issue as well.<br>
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In Service,<br>
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THL Janyn Fletcher of Lancastreshire, DEM Target Archery Atlantia<br>
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