[Archers] Congratulations!

[Patrick O'Keefe]

just to point out a discrepancy, Barun Siegfried was misquoted.  He did not
say the MIC was not involved in the planning, he said the Target Archery MIC
was not involved.

The autocrat cannot be expected to know all of the issue with all of the
different disciplines.  Heck, the MIC cannot be expected to know all of the
issues (unless we are trying to say that the MIC must be a marshal of all
disciplines, but I think that would only result in hard-to-find MIC's).  The
"owner" of the Target Archery at the event is the the Marshal in charge of
Target Archery (TA MiC) at the event.  The Autocrat, MiC, and TA MiC (plus
the MiC's of all other disciplines) work together to figure out space and
requirements.  If the TAMiC is not part of the process, then one can hardly
blame the MiC and Autocrat if things aren't perfect for what the TA MiC has
in mind.

1. I agree that last minute changes cause problems.
2. I agree that the autocrat changing the field at the last minute is not
good, and should be avoided if at all possible
3. I agree that pointing fingers is bad, but analysis of a breakdown is
needed in order to discover how things can be done better in the future
4. With the event in question, the breakdown appears to have been that the
TA MiC was not part of the process

Bjorn
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 7:54 PM, <fenrisulven at comcast.net> wrote:

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> Barun Siegfried: "I wished to step out, however, being directly addressed
> as I have been"
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> You made comments that warranted a response.  Posting and then fleeing the
> thread does not end discussion.
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> "I suggest you work within your Barony/Shire/etc to come up with a document
> that explains how the relationships between autocrat/mic/
> marshals/feastocrat/etc work"
>
>
>
> Do you have one I could look over?  You continue to insist that
> autocrats have the right to cancel archery on the day of the event, at a
> whim and without cause.  Where are you getting this from?  I would like to
> see it for myself.
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>
> "I wish this had not been brought up in public, for I have no desire to
> drag dirt and muck... PLEASE do not deign to discuss items of which you do
> not truly know the details"
>
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>
> Please don't play the victim here.  You were the one who brought this up in
> public, claiming that "in this neck of the woods, all autocrats always work
> hand-in-hand closely with their marshalls." All I did was counter with
> examples to show its clearly not the case. Its hardly "dirt and muck" to
> point out that, despite your assertions, your barony faces the same issue as
> the rest of the kingdom.
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>
>
> "All 'problems' that occurred at HRM were *NOT* problems of the autocrat.
> ...problems that existed there were completely because [the MIC] was not
> active in the planning process ...direct your anger somewhere else than the
> autocrat"
>
>
>
> I'm not blaming the autocrat. And I never said my anger was
> directed there. These discussions center around the need for MICs to work
> more closely with their Autocrats, to educate them about
> kingdom-directed policy so they don't make decisions based in ignorance. In
> the course of that conversation, we look at prior events to see what went
> wrong and what can be done to improve future events. Its not about casting
> blame. We should be allowed to have honest and objective discussions about
> event archery without having to preface every remark with "I'm not pointing
> fingers, but..."
>
>
>
> Also, I apologize if my manner with you has been disrespectful.  I know
> print formats like this do not always convey tone accurately, but yours has
> always come across to me as bullying, so I tend to reflexively respond in
> kind. You and I will probably just have to agree to disagree.
>
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>
> Cheers
>
> Fen
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