[Archers] I'd like to point out.....

[LAB]

I agree as well - nothing beats a well-trained, safety-conscientious
marshal!

-Feline'

 

On Sep 16, 2010 4:52 PM, "Jay Nardone" <jaynardone at comcast.net> wrote:
> COG, right on the money again, can't say I disagree!
> 
> 
> 
> From: archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> [mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of John
Atkins
> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 5:38 PM
> To: 'Janyn Fletcher'; 'Garth G. Groff'; Archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> Subject: Re: [Archers] I'd like to point out.....
> 
> 
> 
> All on this list, this thread brings up old thoughts and some hard
feelings
> for me. However, without getting into embarassing details let me just say
> that from my point of view the solution to this entire issue is QUALITY OF
> MARSHAL. We have had situations in the past that resulted in either
> dangerous situations, stupid rules, or embarassment for the archery
> community due, again in my opinion, to bad marshalling. If Atlantian
> archery marshals are of quality and fully understand that being an event
TA
> MIC means you are the SAFETY OFFICER and not God for a Day, then these
> situations would not come up. Good marshals contact the event autocrat
> BEFORE the event to discuss archery needs. Kaytarzyna says she has driven
> hours to investigate a new to her site. That's the type of quality
> marshalling I'm referring to. Setting targets in areas without
> consideration of the overshoot zones is not quality marshalling. No matter
> how many rules we write we will NEVER be able to write a rule to prevent
> stupid or poor quality.
> 
> 
> 
> cog with some very strong opinions on this
> subject.................................................
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> [mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Janyn
> Fletcher
> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 1:55 PM
> To: 'Garth G. Groff'; Archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> Subject: Re: [Archers] I'd like to point out.....
> 
> Lord Mungo, as much as I agree with you I can say that is not the case, at
> least today in Atlantia. The incidents I keep referring to as evidence
> occurred because of two factors, 1. Autocrat "shoe-horned" archery into
> places it was unsafe and should have not been. 2. The MIC, even though I
> know they meant well did not understand the safety rules and even made a
> comment to me when I challenged the range setup that, "The Baron said it
was
> alright." One ended up alright after we adjusted the range to be safe, the
> other someone almost got shot. If I had my way I would have pulled those
> warrant's immediately and asked that those two marshall's have someone
> assigned to them to help them get up to speed. Both are still current
> marshal's in Atlantia. 
> 
> 
> 
> Might sound harsh but I don't ever want to be the one that almost shot
> someone because of any excuse!
> 
> 
> 
> Janyn
> 
> 
> 
> From: archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> [mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Garth G.
> Groff
> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 9:36 AM
> To: Archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> Subject: Re: [Archers] I'd like to point out.....
> 
> 
> 
> Lady Kaytarzyna,
> 
> Are you suggesting that at a tournament we marshals, as participating
> archers, should refuse to shoot? Absolutely! But even more than that, the
> marshal-in-charge MUST refuse to set up and open a range on a space that
> does not meet kingdom safety standards. Period. Not to do so would
endanger
> the MIC's warrant, and in case of an accident, would open the Kingdom (not
> to mention the MIC) up to all sorts of Society sanctions and possible
legal
> troubles.
> 
> Closing the range would undoubtedly cause a lot of hard feelings, a
blizzard
> of emails, probably not be taken seriously by the powers that be (outside
of
> the archery community), and possibly cause archery to be excluded at that
> event in the future, but it is the only possible course of action. 
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> 
> Lord Mungo Napier, Shire of Isenfir Target Archery Marshal
> 
> On 9/16/2010 9:17 AM, Katherine Hawkins wrote: 
> 
> I agree that the TA Marshall in Charge needs to communicate with the
> Autocrat as to the needs for a suitable site for archery. I think one of
> the biggest problems is that people like to "stretch" the rule in order to
> be able to accommodate a shoot. Let's face it archery on site means more
> money. I think each of us as Atlantia Marshalls should refuse to shoot a
> range that is not suitable and ask for a refund.
> 
> 
> Best regards, 
> 
> Katarzyna
> 
> 
> 
> Lady Katarzyna Witkowska
> 
> 
> 

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