[Archers] I'd like to point out.....

Thu Sep 16 18:36:12 PDT 2010

I just want to say I just became a target marshal with the training and teaching from COG and Lorelei both are very great people and great friends.....when I hear there 2 cents worth to me it is very valuable information as to be come a responsible target archery marshal....I have seen and helped set up the archery ranges and to say the least it is not easy work...but it is enjoyable to set it up and see the other archer's have fun on the range....I have to say alot of people do not see what is done before the event for set up and is taken for granite...we as archer's and those who set it up for archers should have more recognition in the Barony's and Kingdom....just food for thought

Capt. Jean Bartt
Sacred Stone Baronial Archery Champion
Target Archery Marshal

--- On Thu, 9/16/10, LAB <lbudzier at mindspring.com> wrote:

From: LAB <lbudzier at mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: [Archers] I'd like to point out.....
To: "'Anne Rose Smythe'" <annerosesmythe at gmail.com>, "'Jay Nardone'" <jaynardone at comcast.net>
Cc: Archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Date: Thursday, September 16, 2010, 5:31 PM

I agree as well – nothing beats a well-trained, safety-conscientious marshal!
-Feline’

On Sep 16, 2010 4:52 PM, "Jay Nardone" <jaynardone at comcast.net> wrote:
> COG, right on the money again, can't say I disagree!
> 
> 
> 
> From: archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> [mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of John Atkins
> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 5:38 PM
> To: 'Janyn Fletcher'; 'Garth G. Groff'; Archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> Subject: Re: [Archers] I'd like to point out.....
> 
> 
> 
> All on this list, this thread brings up old thoughts and some hard feelings
> for me. However, without getting into embarassing details let me just say
> that from my point of view the solution to this entire issue is QUALITY OF
> MARSHAL. We have had situations in the past that resulted in either
> dangerous situations, stupid rules, or embarassment for the archery
> community due, again in my opinion, to bad marshalling. If Atlantian
> archery marshals are of quality and fully understand that being an event TA
> MIC means you are the SAFETY OFFICER and not God for a Day, then these
> situations would not come up. Good marshals contact the event autocrat
> BEFORE the event to discuss archery needs. Kaytarzyna says she has driven
> hours to investigate a new to her site. That's the type of quality
> marshalling I'm referring to. Setting targets in areas without
> consideration of the overshoot zones is not quality marshalling. No matter
> how many rules we write we will NEVER be able to write a rule to prevent
> stupid or poor quality.
> 
> 
> 
> cog with some very strong opinions on this
> subject.................................................
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> [mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Janyn
> Fletcher
> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 1:55 PM
> To: 'Garth G. Groff'; Archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> Subject: Re: [Archers] I'd like to point out.....
> 
> Lord Mungo, as much as I agree with you I can say that is not the case, at
> least today in Atlantia. The incidents I keep referring to as evidence
> occurred because of two factors, 1. Autocrat "shoe-horned" archery into
> places it was unsafe and should have not been. 2. The MIC, even though I
> know they meant well did not understand the safety rules and even made a
> comment to me when I challenged the range setup that, "The Baron said it was
> alright." One ended up alright after we adjusted the range to be safe, the
> other someone almost got shot. If I had my way I would have pulled those
> warrant's immediately and asked that those two marshall's have someone
> assigned to them to help them get up to speed. Both are still current
> marshal's in Atlantia. 
> 
> 
> 
> Might sound harsh but I don't ever want to be the one that almost shot
> someone because of any excuse!
> 
> 
> 
> Janyn
> 
> 
> 
> From: archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> [mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Garth G.
> Groff
> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 9:36 AM
> To: Archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> Subject: Re: [Archers] I'd like to point out.....
> 
> 
> 
> Lady Kaytarzyna,
> 
> Are you suggesting that at a tournament we marshals, as participating
> archers, should refuse to shoot? Absolutely! But even more than that, the
> marshal-in-charge MUST refuse to set up and open a range on a space that
> does not meet kingdom safety standards. Period. Not to do so would endanger
> the MIC's warrant, and in case of an accident, would open the Kingdom (not
> to mention the MIC) up to all sorts of Society sanctions and possible legal
> troubles.
> 
> Closing the range would undoubtedly cause a lot of hard feelings, a blizzard
> of emails, probably not be taken seriously by the powers that be (outside of
> the archery community), and possibly cause archery to be excluded at that
> event in the future, but it is the only possible course of action. 
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> 
> Lord Mungo Napier, Shire of Isenfir Target Archery Marshal
> 
> On 9/16/2010 9:17 AM, Katherine Hawkins wrote: 
> 
> I agree that the TA Marshall in Charge needs to communicate with the
> Autocrat as to the needs for a suitable site for archery. I think one of
> the biggest problems is that people like to "stretch" the rule in order to
> be able to accommodate a shoot. Let's face it archery on site means more
> money. I think each of us as Atlantia Marshalls should refuse to shoot a
> range that is not suitable and ask for a refund.
> 
> 
> Best regards, 
> 
> Katarzyna
> 
> 
> 
> Lady Katarzyna Witkowska
> 
> 
> 
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