[Archers] Pennsic

Garth G. Groff ggg9y at virginia.edu
Thu Oct 28 04:19:23 PDT 2010


M'lady Nuala,

I can appreciate that you want a chance for our best archers to compete 
against the best from other kingdoms. With respect, do we just want to 
host a shoot for a small group of elite archers who have been snubbed by 
the system? This sounds like a grudge match, which is o.k. in its place, 
but benefits only a small group of people.

Rather, I would like to see Atlantia offer a great shoot (even if it is 
modest in scope) to everybody to share the fun we have with as many 
people as possible, and with minimal elitism. A really well-crafted 
populace shoot would be a wonderful gift from Atlantia to all the 
archers at Pennsic. It could really show the other kingdoms what sort of 
archery program we run, and what sort of great people our archers are. 
To my mind, that's a far better shoot than a grudge match.

I can appreciate that a general novelty shoot could be bigger than you, 
or even a group, can realistically do at Pennsic. That's why I suggest a 
modest size (like 8-10 really well crafted targets), which would allow 
more archers to run through the course in a day.

Before we go any further with this proposal, it would be wise if we all 
agreed on what sort of tournament we want to present, and what we expect 
to get from it.

Kind regards, and with great respect.


Lord Mungo Napier, Shire of Isenfir TA Marshal

On 10/27/2010 9:16 PM, Holly Gibbons wrote:
> Dear beloved Archer-Devotees of the list:
> A couple of clarifications, if I may.
> (1) When I say the "back 40" behind the trailers, I mean way back in 
> the area where there are about 40 trailers, not right behind the 
> archery tents where there are two trailers. Which area did you try to 
> use before, Janyn?
> (2) The need to restrict the sheer number of archers is not just an 
> issue of target-life. I am sorry if I left that impression. A novelty 
> populace shoot open to every archer at Pennsic is WAY beyond the scope 
> of what any of us can handle in terms of time and effort. There is 
> already a populace shoot: in place at Pennsic -- it is the war points 
> targets. I am interested in seeing a challenging, difficult shoot for 
> a kingdom/individual championship separate from that.
> This may well be the point at which all our discussions fall apart, 
> as Dealla says they have in the past - - we all have a different 
> vision of what this shoot should look like and we all apparently have 
> a different vision of what the very purpose of this shoot is.
> To reiterate: I am interested in working for those Atlantian Archers 
> who are shut out of the championship shoot because the East only takes 
> 7 of us - - when we all know Atlantia has enough fine archers to field 
> a team of 30 ourselves (and win it all.) I want to see an expert-level 
> individual and kingdom championship shoot that is completely outside 
> the realm of the war, of the war points, of the East/Mid monopoly of 
> archery at Pennsic.
> Somehow the numbers have to be imited - - I just threw out royal 
> rounds as a non-political, non-subjective measure. You could say 
> bowmen and above, you could say top 20 who are at Pennsic....whatever. 
> Just make it objective.
> When I was an Archer or a Marksman, it was enough to shoot the 
> populace points at Pennsic and a couple of novelty shoots. I had no 
> expectation or need of being on a champions team. But now I see what 
> is really happening: our very, very top archers in Atlantia are not 
> "chosen" for the East's team. It is degrading and demoralizing and 
> leads many fine archers to avoid Pennsic altogether. This is not right!
> So I am driven to correct this wrong. I'm really not looking for a way 
> to add to my work load before OR at Pennsic, believe me.
> Nuala of Needwood Forest

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