[Archers] Atl-atl points

Thu May 20 09:11:23 PDT 2010

Thank you, everyione who replied, botht to the list, and privately!  i've got lots of useful info and ideas!  Not sure why I thought bodkin points were illegal - guess it was just because no one I've shot with has used them until recently, and those are the short ones.

It'd be nice if I knew someone up here in the north who could make me some, but I guess I"ll have to just buy them online.

Again, thanks for the help!

Reyne

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> From: cogworks at triad.rr.com
> To: michaelstuart at gmail.com; archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 11:21:51 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Archers] Atl-atl points
> 
> I experienced the same issues with points coming off my atlatl darts.
> But I've also experienced it with my arrows too. And yes, I've done all
> the things required/suggested for keeping my arrow points on. HOWEVER,
> while complaining to a relative who does a lot of wood working he
> reminded me that epoxies most commonly available in the hardware stores,
> along with just about all the arrow point adhesives, dry hard. Thus
> after time the shock of hitting the target fractures the glue bond and
> the point comes off. He told me there are epoxies that dry flexible.
> One of which is Smooth On epoxy that bowyers use to glue up bows. I've
> been using that ever since and do not lose points even when others do.
> 
> Now as for style of point, Eirik is correct, bodkins would be
> acceptable. Hunting broadheads and blunts are not acceptable. At one
> shoot an individual was using blunts that left a hole in the target big
> enough to stick your thumb in! I have a couple of bodkins I got a local
> blacksmith to make for me for my atlatl darts and they work really well.
> With any point, the trick to a great seal is to match the taper of the
> shaft with the taper of the point. Whistling points are ideal because
> you don't have to taper the shaft. They are designed to go over the
> shaft and require a blunt end.
> 
> One other thing I've learned about my atlatl darts is to give the shaft
> a twist before pulling it out. This breaks the adhesion of the
> shaft/point with the target/ground thereby saving the point. But your
> best bet is to find some epoxy that dries flexible to put you points on
> with.
> 
> cog
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> [mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Mike
> Matthews
> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 10:41 AM
> To: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> Subject: [Archers] Atl-atl points
> 
> 
> I like the small surform rasp (see picture at
> http://www.qualitydist.net/sty-21-115.html) for bow making,
> so it should make quick work of tapering your shafts to fit
> the 23/64 points.
> 
> Someone correct me if I'm mistaken, but bodkin points are perfectly
> legal for target archery; it's only broadheads (with razor edges for
> hunting) that are not allowed.
> 
> Bodkins are relatively easy to forge and can be made with a socket to
> fit whatever size shaft you have. Check with your local blacksmith. Mild
> steel works well and they don't even need heat treating. I can forge one
> in less than an hour and probably with practice it would be around 15
> minutes each or less.
> 
> Eirik Gralokkr
> Charlesbury Crossing, Barony of Sacred Stone
> 
> 
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 10:54:25 -0400
> > From: Robyn Becker <reyne_telarius at hotmail.com>
> > To: <archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
> > Subject: [Archers] Atlatl points quest for info and ideas
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> >
> >
> > Hi all!  I was wondering, do we have a set standard for atlatl points?
>  
> > I ask because I have been using 23/64" points - the largest field 
> > points I can find, and am not happy with them.  Every time I hit a 
> > target, or even sometimes, the ground, I lose a point.  The darts I 
> > have are all 1/2" in diameter, and I don't have the ability to taper 
> > the atlatl shaft down enough for the 23/64" points to have any decent 
> > surface contact with the shaft.
> >
> > 3RiversArchery has many types of points, including a long 
> > bodkin-shaped point which could accomodate the wood shafts I have.  
> > I'm tempted to buy some, and see how they work.  But I don't know if 
> > there's anything ruling against them regarding the atlatl.  I know 
> > they're not legal for regular arrow shafts.
> >
> >
> >
> > Also, I'm looking to try making new darts from bamboo, and have been 
> > searching for something affordable and SCA legal to use as points.  so
> 
> > far, I've found some metal forged arrow-head points from 3Rivers, but 
> > again, the question of them being legal or not arises.
> >
> >
> >
> > And ideas, suggestions or just basics thoughts on this subject would 
> > be greatly appreciated.
> >
> >
> >
> > Reyne
> >
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