[Archers] Specifically, the 'written exception' rule
Canuette, William G.
WCanuette at moc.edu
Fri Mar 5 09:17:45 PST 2010
Well you could use the basics and modify the targets slightly... If there is a physical back drop...i.e. hill/berm etc you might have more freedom on the shoots.... if it's a commercial archery range without the issues of running kids... feast halls... list fields I'm sure you could get a waiver that wo8ld cover most of you issues.... it's when you add the other issues that it becomes more of a problem...
Con
William G. Canuette Jr.
Director of Institutional Research and Planning
Mount Olive College
634 Henderson St.
Mount Olive, NC 28365
Office 919.658.7769
Fax 919.635.3776
wcanuette at moc.edu
-----Original Message-----
From: Siegfried [mailto:siegfried at crossbows.biz]
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 12:02 PM
To: Canuette, William G.
Cc: 'archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org'
Subject: Re: [Archers] Specifically, the 'written exception' rule
Heh, sorry, I missed that. Sure, that could work for 'standard
ranges'. So as mentioned before, Jonathas' 20yd basement range. Or a
modern indoor range used by SCAdians.
But events, where everything is different every time (And is the joy of
archery there), no-go
Siegfried
On 3/5/10 11:01 AM, Canuette, William G. wrote:
> That's why I stated...
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> " Once a wavier has been issued it could be placed on a list and archived
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> I guess I should have been more specific as to what the wavier
> contained... I assumed that a wavier when issued would be for a specific
> set of activities... 5 yard ground targets...5yd pop-n-jay, cross bows 20 lb
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> Once the wavier is issued for a specific set of circumstances you could
> use it as waived... any changes would require a new wavier... is it perfect
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> Con
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> William G. Canuette Jr.
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> Director of Institutional Research and Planning
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> [mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Siegfried
> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 10:30 AM
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> Subject: Re: [Archers] Specifically, the 'written exception' rule
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> You see, there is a problem here.
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> IMO, one cannot just look at a 'range' and say that it's safe to use.
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> So while a range that say is only 60yds deep, might be cleared for use
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> as a 5yd ground target only shoot with 1 archer at a time.
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> It's a different story if you put a 5yd pop-n-jay on it. Or a 40yd RR
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> So to my mind, it would be a poorly served 'exception', if it just was
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> written generically, wouldn't it be? Rarely at an event site (or event
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> Heck, imagine a shoot such as On Target in annapolis, or shoots that
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> having hills/etc acting as backdrops. You'll need exceptions for each
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> On 3/5/10 10:07 AM, Canuette, William G. wrote:
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>> My thoughts:
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>> *From:* archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
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>> I agree that the "written exception" to the rule puts a great burden on
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>> the DEM. We are talking not only about event sites, but practice ranges
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>> From: Siegfried <siegfried at crossbows.biz>
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