[Archers] Specifically, the 'written exception' rule
Siegfried
siegfried at crossbows.biz
Fri Mar 5 09:01:35 PST 2010
Heh, sorry, I missed that. Sure, that could work for 'standard
ranges'. So as mentioned before, Jonathas' 20yd basement range. Or a
modern indoor range used by SCAdians.
But events, where everything is different every time (And is the joy of
archery there), no-go
Siegfried
On 3/5/10 11:01 AM, Canuette, William G. wrote:
> That’s why I stated...
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> " Once a wavier has been issued it could be placed on a list and archived
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> I guess I should have been more specific as to what the wavier
> contained… I assumed that a wavier when issued would be for a specific
> set of activities… 5 yard ground targets…5yd pop-n-jay, cross bows 20 lb
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> Once the wavier is issued for a specific set of circumstances you could
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> Con
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> William G. Canuette Jr.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> [mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Siegfried
> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 10:30 AM
> To: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> Subject: Re: [Archers] Specifically, the 'written exception' rule
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> You see, there is a problem here.
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> IMO, one cannot just look at a 'range' and say that it's safe to use.
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> So while a range that say is only 60yds deep, might be cleared for use
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> as a 5yd ground target only shoot with 1 archer at a time.
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> It's a different story if you put a 5yd pop-n-jay on it. Or a 40yd RR
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> So to my mind, it would be a poorly served 'exception', if it just was
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> written generically, wouldn't it be? Rarely at an event site (or event
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> Heck, imagine a shoot such as On Target in annapolis, or shoots that
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> On 3/5/10 10:07 AM, Canuette, William G. wrote:
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>> My thoughts:
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>> Once a wavier has been issued it could be placed on a list and archived
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>> This list could be reviewed by MIC’s MICTA and others considering a
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>> wcanuette at moc.edu
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>> *From:* archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
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>> [mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] *On Behalf Of
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>> I agree that the "written exception" to the rule puts a great burden on
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>> the DEM. We are talking not only about event sites, but practice ranges
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>> -----Original Message-----
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>> From: Siegfried <siegfried at crossbows.biz>
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>> To: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
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>> Sent: Fri, Mar 5, 2010 8:37 am
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>> Subject: [Archers] Specifically, the 'written exception' rule
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