[Archers] Specifically, the 'written exception' rule

Fri Mar 5 07:30:16 PST 2010

You see, there is a problem here.

IMO, one cannot just look at a 'range' and say that it's safe to use.
There are many variables at work, such as the bows being used (kids,
adults, crossbows), the type of target, the location of the target, etc.

So while a range that say is only 60yds deep, might be cleared for use
as a 5yd ground target only shoot with 1 archer at a time.

It's a different story if you put a 5yd pop-n-jay on it.   Or a 40yd RR
range.

Also, where you put the shooting line, exactly, etc.

So to my mind, it would be a poorly served 'exception', if it just was
written generically, wouldn't it be?  Rarely at an event site (or event
practice site) is the exact same shoot setup in the same location every
time.

And hence, much of my concern.

Heck, imagine a shoot such as On Target in annapolis, or shoots that
have taken place at the Baltimore Bowmen club ... Where basically every
single shoot (of 15+) setup, will be exceptions to the rule, due to
having hills/etc acting as backdrops.  You'll need exceptions for each
of the 15 ranges, and then to repeat that for every event there as the
shoots will be different.

Siegfried

On 3/5/10 10:07 AM, Canuette, William G. wrote:
> My thoughts:
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> Once a wavier has been issued it could be placed on a list and archived
> electronically which would work as long as the site was always set up in
> the same way and had no modifications of either the set up or the actual
> physical lay out of the site.  i.e. new buildings movement of other
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> This list could be reviewed by MIC’s MICTA and others considering a
> shoot/practice.  Additionally an annual review/change of DEM review
> could be accomplished easier with an existing data base as well as,
> allowing the KEM a quick referral repository of shoot locations to
> determine sites that are not normally used and that will require a
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> William G. Canuette Jr.
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> Director of Institutional Research and Planning
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> *From:* archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> [mailto:archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] *On Behalf Of
> *loreleielkins at aol.com
> *Sent:* Friday, March 05, 2010 9:45 AM
> *To:* archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Archers] Specifically, the 'written exception' rule
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> I agree that the "written exception" to the rule puts a great burden on
> the DEM.  We are talking not only about event sites, but practice ranges
> as well (as I've been reminded).  Many of us have ranges in our
> backyards where we hold official practices. I would venture to guess
> that most of these now fall within the category of needing a waiver,
> including my own home range.
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> Do we take pictures, draw diagrams, give a verbal description of the
> site and send this to the DEM?  Does the DEM need to inspect each site
> personally?  Obviously he can't do that.  Once a waiver is granted for a
> site, I assume that the waiver is then good permanently for that site. 
> I wouldn't think that a NEW waiver is needed every time we have an event
> and use the same range.  If that range changes /slightly/, do we then
> need another waiver or are the marshals trusted enough to make that call
> themselves?
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> According to the rule:* "This waiver must be requested in writing from
> the DEM-Target Archery only, and approval must be received in writing
> and retained by the Marshal in charge at the site."*  That last
> part...."retained by the MIC in charge at the site" concerns me too. 
> The MIC in charge at the site is likely to change frequently, does each
> new marshal need to obtain a waiver? Is there a way that the waiver can
> go on file in a specific location, to be printed out for events at a
> site where a waiver was previously granted?
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> Thoughts? Ideas?  Comments?
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> Workin it,
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> From: Siegfried <siegfried at crossbows.biz>
> To: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> Sent: Fri, Mar 5, 2010 8:37 am
> Subject: [Archers] Specifically, the 'written exception' rule
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> Kynnyth & Allen ... I would like to open a dialog about the written
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