[Archers] atlatl was Fwd: Fwd: I need your help (from Enequy)

Tue Aug 24 14:33:44 PDT 2010

I agree, my impression of this forum is for nothing more than discussion.
Decisions concerning rules changes and or other Kingdom related items should
be made by the DEMs and all TAMs from the Baronies that comprise the Kingdom
with input voiced from all marshal's here on the forums. I think these
forums work well for one thing, discussion. They should not be used for
public opinion polling on important topics.

Just my two cents..

Janyn

From: archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
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Subject: [Archers] atlatl was Fwd: Fwd: I need your help (from Enequy)

The intent of presenting information here is to share discussion, not one of
decision making.  It is a good thing to flesh out all options, hear
differing ideas, rebuttals, pros, cons.  It has value.  Keep it coming.

Lorelei

-----Original Message-----
From: Robyn Becker <reyne_telarius at hotmail.com>
To: Archers Mailing List <archers at atlantia.sca.org>
Sent: Tue, Aug 24, 2010 12:04 pm
Subject: Re: [Archers] atlatl was Fwd: Fwd: I need your help (from Enequy)

This is clearly not working.  Nobody is agreeing with anyone else
completely, but instead throw out another variation.  And while Jonathan's
research is nice, I dont see why our rules have to mimic mundane rules.
Keeping the atlatl rules as close to archery rules as possible makes it a
lot easier for our marshals.

Since no one seemed to like my idea of testing out the various combos to see
what works best, maybe we should just run a poll, to see what the majority
of the group thinks should work.  Send out an email with all the options,
and let each person respond with their choices.  Otherwise, we may never
come to a consensus.

Reyne

A true friend is someone who knows all your faults and habits, and loves you
anyway.
Per chevron purpure and vert, two sheaves of arrows and a griffin argent

Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 11:02:56 -0400
From: jonathanmitz at grunley.com
To: archers at atlantia.sca.org
Subject: Re: [Archers] atlatl was Fwd: Fwd: I need your help (from Enequy)

I would like to add my thoughts to the debate. 

The current Atlantian rules for Atlatl are based on an archery mind set.

People who can only count to 5, and need colors to help!  In the mundane

world of Atlatl hurlers, they can count to 10; however, they have to

start at 6.  Don't ask where 1 through 5 went.  But at least they can do

it in black and white.  Please see the attached image of their official

atlatl target.  The target looks to be 100cm in diameter.

My research has uncovered the distances at which they throw and the

number of darts at each distance vary somewhat by club.  The closest is

6 meters and the furthest is 25 meters.  The total number of darts in an

official round appears to be 10, either two stations of 5 darts each, or

5 stations with 2 darts each.

The current Atlantian throwing distances are 20, 30 and 40 yards.  Since

we in the SCA try to have fun, anything past 20 yards for a 60sm target

does not meet that standard.

I propose the following:

Target:  standard Royal Round 60cm 5 color target.

Distances:  10 yards, 15 yards, and 20 yards

Number of darts at each distance: 3

Highest possible score is 45.

Jonathan

-----Original Message-----

From: archers-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org

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Subject: [Archers] atlatl was Fwd: Fwd: I need your help (from Enequy)

Forwarded for Enequy

(Don't know why you can read but not post to the list, Enequy.  If

anyone else is having this problem, please send an e-mail to me.)

-----Original Message-----

From: enequy at comcast.net

To: loreleielkins at aol.com

Cc: archers at atlantia.sca.org

Sent: Mon, Aug 23, 2010 10:39 pm

Subject: Re: [Archers] Fwd: I need your help

You might have to shift me up onto the archers list again, just got home

from archery and dinner and not taken time yet to find out why i cannot

post to the list. will work on that as soon as ii get all my thoughts

togeather here. 

I have read about 90% of the emails here. And they all have good strong

points. But some was getting of the subject line - and getting tnto

building special targets. Why? Why not continue to use the normal

archery targets. Number one - costs extra for the larger target face - -

EACH. And then you are also making a new target butt just for the larger

target face. Now also if you are on a range that does not have multiple

target butts it makes it all the more difficult to interface the Atlatl

in with the normal archery.  The 120 cm does make it easier to score

higher but it makes it more difficult to set up on some ranges. 

Also if you start using the pink  or blue foam then you are also adding

that stuff to your arrows and darts. And no matter what comvering you

use it coates the arrow, just some more then others. The darts have no

protective covering.   

 I shot over a dozen rounds tonight using the normal targets and target

butts that we use. I am not all that good - miss a whole lot. I was

shooting at the standard 60cm targets with 6 darts. My ranges was the

10, 20, 30. LOL - the 10 is not as easy as it sounds. And the 30 still

kicks my butt (pun intended). My round scores on the web site is 10, 9,

and 7 (for 3 darts and 20, 30, 40). Tonight my scores were 13, 15, and

17. And with practice I know I will do better. And some of you out there

can probably beat me easily. Imagine - - The 20 is still in, the 30 is

still in, the 10 is new and not as easy as it sounds, the for 40 is out

- you do not have to heave the dart HARD - and aim at the same time. 

I shot along with the archers. Before I actually put out a 10 yard

target the archer waited on me for ONE round. But I waited on the archer

ONE or TWO rounds. If the Atlatl is to be a part of the archery

environment then lets work togeather.  lol - the biggest problem that I

ran into was the good humored hassel about throwing lawn darts. 

There was a few times I got all 6 darts into the butt at the same time

(lol - mostly outside the white). And had no problems with the target

falling down. No rebar - just lean the butt back a little and brace it.

Also at the 10 yard range I shot alongside two young girls about 10

years old. No problems. 

In comclusion - staying on the subject of what to shoot  and not how to

build a target - - - -  I am still a firm believer in the 10, 20, 30

with 6 darts. I like to stay with the 60cm. But what ever the community

agrees as a whole - that I will go with. 

This might start another train of messages, but maybe the net result

will be a set of rules that the most of us will like and the rest will

accept as is. 

Have a good day all

Enequy

(goooh)

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