[Archers] Archers Digest, Vol 79, Issue 2
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Sat Apr 3 18:08:14 PDT 2010
I found a video on the web last week of a fellow making medieval arrows. He had some interesting techniques, including, cutting feathers out by hand. I was rather impressed and would like to give it a shot soon with some goose feathers I have. He occasionally used modern tools and techniques but his results were good and he gave me some good ideas to try. It was also better than reading a book as you could see him actually doing what he was talking about.
Geoffrey ~
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=076915DCB16918D0
Rules? We no got no rules. We no need no stinking rules....
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From: Robyn Becker <reyne_telarius at hotmail.com>
To: Archers Mailing List <archers at atlantia.sca.org>
Sent: Sat, Apr 3, 2010 11:35 am
Subject: Re: [Archers] Archers Digest, Vol 79, Issue 2
The Crescent Guard is actually informal - we have a badge, but I never submitted it OR our name to the Kingdom. We LIKE being informal, because it means we can run things our own way, without Baronial/Kingdom/Society law getting in the way.
So I am very much interested in the fletcher's guild as long as it stays informal. I am frankly quite tired of all the incessant rules, and of people doing things ONLY because they want the cookie. it's one of the reasons I don't help/play much anymore - it was getting in the way of me having fun.
The Guild also interests me because for the past few years, I have been fletching all my arrows by hand, and I enjoy it very much. The ONLY jig I use is a cutting jig, for consistency. Feathers are too expensive to waste trying to cut them by hand.
So count me in. And if you need any help running/building a yahoo list, let me know. I run many already for our barony and am pretty familiar with the application.
Reyne Telarius
A true friend is someone who knows all your faults and habits, and loves you anyway.
Per chevron purpure and vert, two sheaves of arrows and a griffin argent
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 06:07:49 -0700
From: timothywarman at yahoo.com
To: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: Re: [Archers] Archers Digest, Vol 79, Issue 2
As one of the original founders of the Needwood Forest Company of Archers, I think the idea of a fletcher's guild is great. Our experience with the Company for the past 4 years is that it has added to our enjoyment of archery in the SCA and it has helped us be better archers. I think a fletcher's guild would have a similar result throughout Atlantia.
Perhaps all interested archers who attend the Kingdom shoot May 8 could gather at some point and talk about how to make the guild a reality.
Timothy of Shaftesbury
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1. Painting of Man with Arrow (Garth G. Groff)
2. Fletchers' Guild statement of purpose (for comments)
(Garth G. Groff)
3. Re: Fletchers' Guild statement of purpose (for comments)
(Siegfried)
4. Re: fletchers guild (Garth G. Groff)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 07:36:16 -0400
From: "Garth G. Groff" <ggg9y at virginia.edu>
To: Archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: [Archers] Painting of Man with Arrow
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Noble Friends of the Arrow,
I recently posted this interesting image of Antoine, the Bastard of
Burgundy, to those who had shown an interest in the proposed fletchers'
guild. All of you should have a chance to join in the fun discussing
this famous painting:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Antoine_de_Bourgogne.jpg
. The arrow has several interesting features worthy of note.
The fellow in the picture is Antoine, the unfortunately-styled Bastard
of Burgundy. In addition to being a Knight of the Golden Fleece (note
his chain and pendant), right-hand man to his half-brother Charles the
Bold, successful general, respected diplomat, and lover of a great many
women, he was also one of the finest gentleman archers in 15th century
Europe. The picture was painted circa 1462, shortly after Antoine won a
famous archery tournament a Bruges. If you are curious to read a short
biography of Antoine, try
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine,_bastard_of_Burgundy .
Here's a question to ponder: Is the arrow one of those Antoine used to
win the tournament, or is it perhaps the trophy he received for his
triumph? We will probably never know for sure, but it is fun to speculate.
Should any of you find this sparks an interest in joining the proposed
fletchers' guild, please contact me directly and I will add your name to
our list.
At your service,
Lord Mungo Napier, Shire of Isenfir Archery Marshal
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Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 13:13:45 -0400
From: "Garth G. Groff" <ggg9y at virginia.edu>
To: Archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: [Archers] Fletchers' Guild statement of purpose (for
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Noble friends,
Here follows a brief proposal for the aims of the incipient Atlantian
fletchers' guild. Your comments and ideas are most welcome.
1. To promote arrow building and archery in general throughout Atlantia.
2. To teach the arts of arrow building and related crafts to all who are
interested, informally, or through Atlantia University and other
official kingdom or local activities.
3. To encourage members to research historic information on arrow
smithing and fletching.
4. To improve the quality of our arrows through classes, shared
knowledge, and competitions in conjunction with kingdom and local A&S
programs.
5. To gain Royal and baronial recognition for arrow making as an
advancement toward honors such as the King's Missiliers and Yew Bow
orders, and possibly to seek appointment of a Fletcher Royal or similar
officer.
Also, let me add that Fletcher's guild should be interested in modern
target arrows (built per SCA rules), historical replica arrows, crossbow
bolts, combat projectiles, and atl-atl darts, plus any gear directly
related to them, including, but not limited to, quivers, arrow bags,
bracers, gloves, etc. Bow building is not necessarily off limits for the
group, but given the greater experience needed for that craft, it is not
seen as central to the group's activities at this time.
One question to tackle immediately is whether activities of the
fletchers should be included within this archery mailing list, or should
be on a separate forum.
And would the group prefer to remain an informal network, or would they
prefer a charter and officers. (There are already a couple of votes to
keep it informal.)
Please let us have your thoughts and suggestions. I will save all
messages in this thread for reference as we explore this proposal.
Anyone who is interested in being associated directly with the
fletchers' guild can contact me through this discussion group or
directly, and I will add your name to our list.
In your service, and in service to Atlantian archery,
Lord Mungo Napier, Shire of Isenfir Archery Marshal
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 14:24:15 -0400
From: Siegfried <siegfried at crossbows.biz>
To: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: Re: [Archers] Fletchers' Guild statement of purpose (for
comments)
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I wish to encourage your endeavor, as fletching is an excellent art
form, and one not known widely enough as I see numerous people out
buying arrows directly instead (at higher cost)
One thing I would humbly suggest though. That being to keep yourself
much more informal, and without 'grand goals' like you've stated below
(many of which would actually require kingdom law changes)
I've seen many such guilds fail, when they try to have grand goals and
be formalized from the beginning, not the least of which because they
perhaps turn off people from then as they don't agree w/ their ideals
and/or see them as exclusive.
Whereas many of the most successful guilds have been just formed
informally, and over time, if enough interest grows, natural sets of
'guidelines' and 'goals' will present themselves and/or be granted.
In Service,
Siegfried
On 4/2/10 1:13 PM, Garth G. Groff wrote:
> Noble friends,
>
> Here follows a brief proposal for the aims of the incipient Atlantian
> fletchers' guild. Your comments and ideas are most welcome.
>
>
> 1. To promote arrow building and archery in general throughout Atlantia.
>
> 2. To teach the arts of arrow building and related crafts to all who are
> interested, informally, or through Atlantia University and other
> official kingdom or local activities.
>
> 3. To encourage members to research historic information on arrow
> smithing and fletching.
>
> 4. To improve the quality of our arrows through classes, shared
> knowledge, and competitions in conjunction with kingdom and local A&S
> programs.
>
> 5. To gain Royal and baronial recognition for arrow making as an
> advancement toward honors such as the King's Missiliers and Yew Bow
> orders, and possibly to seek appointment of a Fletcher Royal or similar
> officer.
>
>
> Also, let me add that Fletcher's guild should be interested in modern
> target arrows (built per SCA rules), historical replica arrows, crossbow
> bolts, combat projectiles, and atl-atl darts, plus any gear directly
> related to them, including, but not limited to, quivers, arrow bags,
> bracers, gloves, etc. Bow building is not necessarily off limits for the
> group, but given the greater experience needed for that craft, it is not
> seen as central to the group's activities at this time.
>
> One question to tackle immediately is whether activities of the
> fletchers should be included within this archery mailing list, or should
> be on a separate forum.
>
> And would the group prefer to remain an informal network, or would they
> prefer a charter and officers. (There are already a couple of votes to
> keep it informal.)
>
> Please let us have your thoughts and suggestions. I will save all
> messages in this thread for reference as we explore this proposal.
> Anyone who is interested in being associated directly with the
> fletchers' guild can contact me through this discussion group or
> directly, and I will add your name to our list.
>
> In your service, and in service to Atlantian archery,
>
>
> Lord Mungo Napier, Shire of Isenfir Archery Marshal
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 14:43:23 -0400
From: "Garth G. Groff" <ggg9y at virginia.edu>
To: Archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: Re: [Archers] fletchers guild
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Lord Christophe,
Good points. I would like the idea of having our own list if the group
grows large enough. As long as it's small, and if the regular members on
the archers' list don't mind, we should probably stay here for now. It
would also be cool to have a home page with contact information and
maybe some graphics, especially if it is linked to the Kingdom A&S pages
(since Atlantian archery pages don't lend themselves to this at the
present time).
Yes, there will always be lurkers, contributors who don't do much, and
people who get excited then quickly lose interest. As along as we have a
good core, no problem. If just a few of the less excited catch fire (so
to speak), then it is worth carrying everyone. There definitely won't be
any criteria to be a member beyond the usual web courtesies.
Subject to approval by the June University autocrat, I propose to set up
a table during the lunch hour to show off some of Lady Sarah's and my
arrows, maybe fletch a few shafts, and generally talk up arrow building.
Should anyone wish to share the table, and bring their own work,
wonderful. It would be a great way to make new friends, recruit new
fletchers, and promote archery in general. This is something we could
all do at various tournaments, especially those with a strong archery
agenda.
Kind regards,
Lord Mungo Napier, Shire of Isenfir Archery Marshal
John Atkins wrote:
> Mungo,
> I'm liking this idea. I would suggest we have our own Yahoo list to
> converse on, although we all know the archers list could use the
> traffic! I think if we had our own Yahoo list then we could possibly
> consider opening it up to other traditional but non SCA folks. Just a
> thought. I'm thinking of a list I'm on of primitive archers in
> Michigan. While they attempt period reenactment, they are not SCA.
> Some of them will be in attendance at SAAD through my prodding.
>
> One issue I do have with the group though is membership. While I am
> not a big fan of strict criteria for membership to guilds I do rankle
> at those who join things like this for the "apparent" status but do
> nothing to contribute. Cookie collectors is what they are called.
> Having said that, I foresee some joining the guild for one of it's
> prime reasons, to learn. As such, when they first come in they may
> not be significant contributors and I think that is fine. It's what
> the guild is about. BUT I would like to see them do more than just
> lurk on the list. A comment here and there, questions, suggestions,
> "why don't we do it this way...". Activity. I just feel if you are
> going to "wear the badge" then you represent something that you should
> be an active, contributing member of. Not someone who calls themself
> a member but does nothing and is not active.
>
> I don't mean to go over the top here, just some random thoughts.
>
> cog
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