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<div>I found a video on the web last week of a fellow making medieval arrows. He had some interesting techniques, including, cutting feathers out by hand. I was rather impressed and would like to give it a shot soon with some goose feathers I have. He occasionally used modern tools and techniques but his results were good and he gave me some good ideas to try. It was also better than reading a book as you could see him actually doing what he was talking about. </div>
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The Crescent Guard is actually informal - we have a badge, but I never submitted it OR our name to the Kingdom. We LIKE being informal, because it means we can run things our own way, without Baronial/Kingdom/Society law getting in the way.<br>
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So I am very much interested in the fletcher's guild as long as it stays informal. I am frankly quite tired of all the incessant rules, and of people doing things ONLY because they want the cookie. it's one of the reasons I don't help/play much anymore - it was getting in the way of me having fun.<br>
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The Guild also interests me because for the past few years, I have been fletching all my arrows by hand, and I enjoy it very much. The ONLY jig I use is a cutting jig, for consistency. Feathers are too expensive to waste trying to cut them by hand.<br>
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So count me in. And if you need any help running/building a yahoo list, let me know. I run many already for our barony and am pretty familiar with the application.<br>
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<div>As one of the original founders of the Needwood Forest Company of Archers, I think the idea of a fletcher's guild is great. Our experience with the Company for the past 4 years is that it has added to our enjoyment of archery in the SCA and it has helped us be better archers. I think a fletcher's guild would have a similar result throughout Atlantia.</div>
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<div>Perhaps all interested archers who attend the Kingdom shoot May 8 could gather at some point and talk about how to make the guild a reality.</div>
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1. Painting of Man with Arrow (Garth G. Groff)<br>
2. Fletchers' Guild statement of purpose (for comments)<br>
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3. Re: Fletchers' Guild statement of purpose (for comments)<br>
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Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 07:36:16 -0400<br>
From: "Garth G. Groff" <<A __removedLink__1219245518__href="mailto:ggg9y@virginia.edu">ggg9y@virginia.edu</A>><br>
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Noble Friends of the Arrow,<br>
<br>
I recently posted this interesting image of Antoine, the Bastard of <br>
Burgundy, to those who had shown an interest in the proposed fletchers' <br>
guild. All of you should have a chance to join in the fun discussing <br>
this famous painting: <br>
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. The arrow has several interesting features worthy of note.<br>
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The fellow in the picture is Antoine, the unfortunately-styled Bastard <br>
of Burgundy. In addition to being a Knight of the Golden Fleece (note <br>
his chain and pendant), right-hand man to his half-brother Charles the <br>
Bold, successful general, respected diplomat, and lover of a great many <br>
women, he was also one of the finest gentleman archers in 15th century <br>
Europe. The picture was painted circa 1462, shortly after Antoine won a <br>
famous archery tournament a Bruges. If you are curious to read a short <br>
biography of Antoine, try <br>
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Here's a question to ponder: Is the arrow one of those Antoine used to <br>
win the tournament, or is it perhaps the trophy he received for his <br>
triumph? We will probably never know for sure, but it is fun to speculate.<br>
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Should any of you find this sparks an interest in joining the proposed <br>
fletchers' guild, please contact me directly and I will add your name to <br>
our list.<br>
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At your service,<br>
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Lord Mungo Napier, Shire of Isenfir Archery Marshal<br>
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Noble friends,<br>
<br>
Here follows a brief proposal for the aims of the incipient Atlantian <br>
fletchers' guild. Your comments and ideas are most welcome.<br>
<br>
<br>
1. To promote arrow building and archery in general throughout Atlantia.<br>
<br>
2. To teach the arts of arrow building and related crafts to all who are <br>
interested, informally, or through Atlantia University and other <br>
official kingdom or local activities.<br>
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3. To encourage members to research historic information on arrow <br>
smithing and fletching.<br>
<br>
4. To improve the quality of our arrows through classes, shared <br>
knowledge, and competitions in conjunction with kingdom and local A&S <br>
programs.<br>
<br>
5. To gain Royal and baronial recognition for arrow making as an <br>
advancement toward honors such as the King's Missiliers and Yew Bow <br>
orders, and possibly to seek appointment of a Fletcher Royal or similar <br>
officer.<br>
<br>
<br>
Also, let me add that Fletcher's guild should be interested in modern <br>
target arrows (built per SCA rules), historical replica arrows, crossbow <br>
bolts, combat projectiles, and atl-atl darts, plus any gear directly <br>
related to them, including, but not limited to, quivers, arrow bags, <br>
bracers, gloves, etc. Bow building is not necessarily off limits for the <br>
group, but given the greater experience needed for that craft, it is not <br>
seen as central to the group's activities at this time.<br>
<br>
One question to tackle immediately is whether activities of the <br>
fletchers should be included within this archery mailing list, or should <br>
be on a separate forum.<br>
<br>
And would the group prefer to remain an informal network, or would they <br>
prefer a charter and officers. (There are already a couple of votes to <br>
keep it informal.)<br>
<br>
Please let us have your thoughts and suggestions. I will save all <br>
messages in this thread for reference as we explore this proposal. <br>
Anyone who is interested in being associated directly with the <br>
fletchers' guild can contact me through this discussion group or <br>
directly, and I will add your name to our list.<br>
<br>
In your service, and in service to Atlantian archery,<br>
<br>
<br>
Lord Mungo Napier, Shire of Isenfir Archery Marshal<br>
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Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 14:24:15 -0400<br>
From: Siegfried <<A __removedLink__1219245518__href="mailto:siegfried@crossbows.biz">siegfried@crossbows.biz</A>><br>
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I wish to encourage your endeavor, as fletching is an excellent art<br>
form, and one not known widely enough as I see numerous people out<br>
buying arrows directly instead (at higher cost)<br>
<br>
One thing I would humbly suggest though. That being to keep yourself<br>
much more informal, and without 'grand goals' like you've stated below<br>
(many of which would actually require kingdom law changes)<br>
<br>
I've seen many such guilds fail, when they try to have grand goals and<br>
be formalized from the beginning, not the least of which because they<br>
perhaps turn off people from then as they don't agree w/ their ideals<br>
and/or see them as exclusive.<br>
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Whereas many of the most successful guilds have been just formed<br>
informally, and over time, if enough interest grows, natural sets of<br>
'guidelines' and 'goals' will present themselves and/or be granted.<br>
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In Service,<br>
Siegfried<br>
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On 4/2/10 1:13 PM, Garth G. Groff wrote:<br>
> Noble friends,<br>
> <br>
> Here follows a brief proposal for the aims of the incipient Atlantian<br>
> fletchers' guild. Your comments and ideas are most welcome.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> 1. To promote arrow building and archery in general throughout Atlantia.<br>
> <br>
> 2. To teach the arts of arrow building and related crafts to all who are<br>
> interested, informally, or through Atlantia University and other<br>
> official kingdom or local activities.<br>
> <br>
> 3. To encourage members to research historic information on arrow<br>
> smithing and fletching.<br>
> <br>
> 4. To improve the quality of our arrows through classes, shared<br>
> knowledge, and competitions in conjunction with kingdom and local A&S<br>
> programs.<br>
> <br>
> 5. To gain Royal and baronial recognition for arrow making as an<br>
> advancement toward honors such as the King's Missiliers and Yew Bow<br>
> orders, and possibly to seek appointment of a Fletcher Royal or similar<br>
> officer.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Also, let me add that Fletcher's guild should be interested in modern<br>
> target arrows (built per SCA rules), historical replica arrows, crossbow<br>
> bolts, combat projectiles, and atl-atl darts, plus any gear directly<br>
> related to them, including, but not limited to, quivers, arrow bags,<br>
> bracers, gloves, etc. Bow building is not necessarily off limits for the<br>
> group, but given the greater experience needed for that craft, it is not<br>
> seen as central to the group's activities at this time.<br>
> <br>
> One question to tackle immediately is whether activities of the<br>
> fletchers should be included within this archery mailing list, or should<br>
> be on a separate forum.<br>
> <br>
> And would the group prefer to remain an informal network, or would they<br>
> prefer a charter and officers. (There are already a couple of votes to<br>
> keep it informal.)<br>
> <br>
> Please let us have your thoughts and suggestions. I will save all<br>
> messages in this thread for reference as we explore this proposal.<br>
> Anyone who is interested in being associated directly with the<br>
> fletchers' guild can contact me through this discussion group or<br>
> directly, and I will add your name to our list.<br>
> <br>
> In your service, and in service to Atlantian archery,<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Lord Mungo Napier, Shire of Isenfir Archery Marshal<br>
> <br>
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Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 14:43:23 -0400<br>
From: "Garth G. Groff" <<A __removedLink__1219245518__href="mailto:ggg9y@virginia.edu">ggg9y@virginia.edu</A>><br>
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Lord Christophe,<br>
<br>
Good points. I would like the idea of having our own list if the group <br>
grows large enough. As long as it's small, and if the regular members on <br>
the archers' list don't mind, we should probably stay here for now. It <br>
would also be cool to have a home page with contact information and <br>
maybe some graphics, especially if it is linked to the Kingdom A&S pages <br>
(since Atlantian archery pages don't lend themselves to this at the <br>
present time).<br>
<br>
Yes, there will always be lurkers, contributors who don't do much, and <br>
people who get excited then quickly lose interest. As along as we have a <br>
good core, no problem. If just a few of the less excited catch fire (so <br>
to speak), then it is worth carrying everyone. There definitely won't be <br>
any criteria to be a member beyond the usual web courtesies.<br>
<br>
Subject to approval by the June University autocrat, I propose to set up <br>
a table during the lunch hour to show off some of Lady Sarah's and my <br>
arrows, maybe fletch a few shafts, and generally talk up arrow building. <br>
Should anyone wish to share the table, and bring their own work, <br>
wonderful. It would be a great way to make new friends, recruit new <br>
fletchers, and promote archery in general. This is something we could <br>
all do at various tournaments, especially those with a strong archery <br>
agenda.<br>
<br>
Kind regards,<br>
<br>
<br>
Lord Mungo Napier, Shire of Isenfir Archery Marshal<br>
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John Atkins wrote:<br>
> Mungo,<br>
> I'm liking this idea. I would suggest we have our own Yahoo list to <br>
> converse on, although we all know the archers list could use the <br>
> traffic! I think if we had our own Yahoo list then we could possibly <br>
> consider opening it up to other traditional but non SCA folks. Just a <br>
> thought. I'm thinking of a list I'm on of primitive archers in <br>
> Michigan. While they attempt period reenactment, they are not SCA. <br>
> Some of them will be in attendance at SAAD through my prodding.<br>
> <br>
> One issue I do have with the group though is membership. While I am <br>
> not a big fan of strict criteria for membership to guilds I do rankle <br>
> at those who join things like this for the "apparent" status but do <br>
> nothing to contribute. Cookie collectors is what they are called. <br>
> Having said that, I foresee some joining the guild for one of it's <br>
> prime reasons, to learn. As such, when they first come in they may <br>
> not be significant contributors and I think that is fine. It's what <br>
> the guild is about. BUT I would like to see them do more than just <br>
> lurk on the list. A comment here and there, questions, suggestions, <br>
> "why don't we do it this way...". Activity. I just feel if you are <br>
> going to "wear the badge" then you represent something that you should <br>
> be an active, contributing member of. Not someone who calls themself <br>
> a member but does nothing and is not active.<br>
> <br>
> I don't mean to go over the top here, just some random thoughts.<br>
> <br>
> cog<br>
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