insurance [Archers] Clarification on Waiver Rule?

[Rick Steeves]

(this one too, sending from acpub acct to get past the problem with how I'm 
signed on the list)


Perhaps I can help.

First, at events, there have been no changes in archery policy that I know 
of. The MoLs office is NOT handling waivers. There is NOT a $1 fee for 
handling waivers at events, since you're not filling out an additional 
waiver. No changes for SCA events. Zero, zilch, nada, zippo.

At local practices, your archers should be signing waivers, the same as 
your heavies do. Target, combat, whatever. If they have a blue card, they 
don't have to.  If you're shooting things though the air, you should sign a 
waiver with your marshal. Yes, it can be a blanket waiver sheet. Yes, the 
archery marshal has to keep track of it, but only until it gets sent in to 
the fabulous wavier secretary, who handles that paperwork (collects, 
stores, tracks) so you don't have to.

Every quarter, your archery marshal should be handing that paperwork over 
to your group's knight marshal, and it should be being forwarded to the 
kingdom waiver secretary.

Does that cover all of the problems of hitting someone who wasn't part of 
practice who you happen to shoot with an arrow? NO, of course not. But it's 
better than nothing. If you want to go there, consider that you're more 
likely to argue your way into even more waivers.

Master Corwyn Sinister
Seneschal, Atlantia
Warranted (last I checked) combat archer.

At 07:31 PM 5/14/2002 -0400, Robert Steele wrote:
It is my understanding that the Corporate insurance does not cover SCA
member, but covers the people that we hold events at from the liability of
our actions. (  if the people who own the site are themselve not sca
members.)

This addition $1 will also be in addition to the soon to be $3 non member
surcharge
( excuse me $3 member discount)

Gauss/storvik
-----Original Message-----
From: Siegfried Sebastian Faust [mailto:eliwhite at adelphia.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 7:07 PM
To: archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: [Archers] Clarification on Waiver Rule?


Ignacio ... Can we get a clarification on this new rule that was brought up
at Unevent (which I wasn't at), and I have only heard a few rumblings about.

The one that says that archers need to sign in with the MOL at an event to
be covered by the SCA insurance?

Because it leaves a number of repercussions/questions open:

A) Do they HAVE to sign in?  Or only if they WANT covered ... ie ... do
they have a choice?  (Which is how I first heard the rule mentioned to me.)

B) If this is true, this like Heavy/Rapier, this will extend to local
archery practices, where the marshal will have to start checking blue
cards, or, as at least many practices I have seen, start having blanket
waiver sheets for everyone to sign, and then the archery marshal will have
to keep all of those sheets on record.

C) Also, if required to do this - Archery stops being a 'free'
activity.  You either have to be a member, or pay a buck each event you
wanna shoot.  Makes it lose some of it's: "Come on, anyone can do it"
appeal.

D) And most of all, I think this could end up being carried to it's final
logical conclusion, that instead just EVERYONE should have to show their
blue card when checking into troll, or pay a buck.  You see, if the archers
aren't covered if they don't sign, then the stander-by who is watching the
archery & maybe is more of a safety risk than the archers.  Nor is the cook
in the kitchen, the bard, etc.  I always understood the fighters signing
the waiver not to be an insurance thing, but a 'them admitting legally that
they understand they were doing something dangerous'.  Well, personally, I
feel often that an archery spectator is in just as 'dangerous' position as
an archer (to whatever levels of danger are already involved).  And in my
experience, cooking a feast is MUCH more dangerous :)

Siegfried

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