[Archers] RE: Too many useless Royal Round Scores

[Deedee L Cole]

I find myself agreeing with Sigfried (not that unusual:)
Anything over 3 on any given day is relatively useless, as many others
have
stated. 

Allowing up to 3 is also good, as many have stated, since not everyone
has regular practices, and/or shoots only RRs at any given event
(practice or regular event).  Many folks shoot RRs because they 
like them, others, just to play along with the 'Ranking Game', but would
rather shoot more interesting shoots when available.  

I am as guilty as any of submitting many scores from a single practice,
but have
no problem with only the highest 3.  On the other hand.....  What is all
of this 
about 'approving the scores', that Gregge refers to.  This goes back to
the name
thing (NO LET'S NOT REVISIT IT), in that I don't understand what is being
'APPROVED'.  As I understand it the scorekeeper was setup to collect the
scores
and maintain the database (and associated web pages in their various
forms).

It doesn't only fall on Gregge, since I know that others have been
cleared to enter
scores (how many? who? I don't know), so discussions of work load are
useless.
He can always allow more to help.

Robert, as I remember it (please speak up if I am wrong, Bob), entered
every score
sent to him, as is.  He made no judgements, and there was no 'acceptance'

involved.

With this increasingly annoying emphasis on RRs and rankings (yes, I am
inundating 
with various styles - partly to show what can be done - obviously not for
ultimate
scores, if you check them out :), things are getting real obnoxious. 

What ever happened to shooting for enjoyment????

my $.02+ (sorry for the length)

Dealla
On Mon, 03 Jun 2002 20:20:57 -0400 Siegfried Sebastian Faust
<eliwhite at adelphia.net> writes:
> By our current rules, implicit within how the scoring is handled, 
> only the 
> top three scores of any one day could ever, possibly, be considered 
> in 
> one's average.
> 
> So I would argue that it is 'no stretch' to put an 'official limit' 
> of only 
> turning in three scores a day per archer.  Any more is just purely 
> more 
> work for the scorekeeper, and without really any benifit (If a 
> specific 
> archer wants to know ALL his scores, he can keep them himself, the 
> kingdom 
> scorekeeper's job is to keep that scores that will possibly lead to 
> a ranking.)
> 
> I do not like the idea of limiting it to one a day, because of the 
> reason 
> that Ignacio mentioned ... to someone that shoots them every week, 
> it may 
> not be a problem.  However, to the occasional shooter, or worse, the 
> person 
> who needs to travel far to reach some place with a Royal Round being 
> shot 
> ... they may take a LONG hard time to get three scores in.
> 
> One of the 'draws' of the Royal Round that I have been able to use 
> to get 
> people to shoot it, and be scored (and my Baron has used as well) 
> is:  "Come on, all it has to take is to show up one day and shoot 
> the RR 
> three times, then you are ranked."  That is usually then enough to 
> get them 
> 'hooked', and wanting to see that average rise.  (Or not ... but 
> sometimes)
> 
> Also, restricting it to only submitting one a day, might quite well 
> 
> discourage some people from practicing more, and getting better.  If 
> they 
> shoot a good round, they may feel encouraged to 'stop', because they 
> would 
> feel horrible/cheated if they then did another good round, and only 
> got to 
> count one of them.  So they get their 'good round', and leave for 
> the day, 
> instead of shooting more and more, trying to get better.
> 
> I would also say that it wouldn't "hurt" to have mentioned in the 
> rules, 
> that while at MAX 3 scores, per person, per weapons form, can be 
> submitted 
> ... that they need not be, at the archer's discretion.
> 
> I know that in Highland Foorde we often don't submit scores that we 
> know 
> are because we had a bad day, or high wind, or equipment problems 
> ... when 
> we know that next weekend we are just going to do higher because we 
> will be 
> 'back on track'.  So we don't bog the scorekeeper down with such 
> scores.
> 
> Again, it needs to be a decision made by the ARCHER, not the marshal 
> 
> though.  And the marshal would need to ask the archer if s/he wants 
> them 
> submitted.
> 
> Siegfried
> 
> 
> At 06:29 PM 6/4/2002 -0400, Ignacio wrote:
> >Marshals all;
> >
> >What is your thoughts on this. If need be poll the archers in your 
> area.
> >
> >I am one of the people that Gregge is talking about. At the 
> baronial
> >practice I attend I will shoot anywhere from five to eight royal 
> rounds. I
> >definitely do not need all of them listed.
> >
> >Because I shoot a lot of rounds, just the top round for the day is 
> the only
> >one that really counts. But if I had only shot just a few rounds 
> this year
> >then every one would be important. Part of this would be a 
> scorekeepers
> >(Gregge and, more important, the local scorekeeper) decision.
> >
> >Give your opinion before the decision is made.
> >
> >
> >Ignacio
> >
> >Honor, Valor, Knowledge, and Service
> >
> >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Greg Christensen [mailto:gcjckc at hotmail.com]
> > >Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 8:13 PM
> > >To: teatimemates at earthlink.net
> > >Subject: Too many useless Royal Round Scores
> > >
> > >
> > >Ignacio,
> > >
> > >It seems that I am approving too many useless royal round 
> scores.
> > >Maybe we
> > >should limit the it to the three highest scores shot in one day.  
> Any more
> > >than that does the archer no good anyway.  It will be less typing 
> and will
> > >be less space on the server.  Or we could be really bad like the 
> East and
> > >allow only one score per day to be posted.
> > >
> > >In Service to the DREAM (or until the server is full)
> > >GREGGE the ARCHER
> > >
> > 
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