[Archers] RE: Too many useless Royal Round Scores
Jim Bishop II
catmajick at hotmail.com
Tue Jun 4 19:31:38 PDT 2002
Greetings Archers All,
I am pleased to add my "Hear! Hear!" I agree that too many scores does
nothing more than bog down the persons keeping track of them and that on the
interim it should be the archers choice to either have them submitted or
not. The Marshals, IMHO, are there to facilitate a means for the archers to
play, and if sufficient Marshalling is present, even the Marshals can play.
This has been the hardest for me, as I seem to Marshal more than I get to
play. I practice about every other weekend, but since it is only myself and
a few friends, most of which are non- SCAdian, I do not count my scores. I
thought I did rather well with an average of five shoots at 68. Considering
the time before was pretty lousy at only 26 in 4 shoots.
These are points to ponder when considering the need to post scores.
1.) Is the archer wanting his/her score submitted?
2.) Is it feasible to post aseries scores when the chance of
shooting is limited or drawn out over a lengthy period?
3.) Can we decide, for others, which scores should be posted
and which ones should not?
4.) Should we shoot RR's as much as possible, without the
need to mix it up a bit? (i.e. specialty shoots, variety shoots, etc.)
5.) Can we keep a "local" tally for archers that wish to
view there own improvements? (I, for one, know just how difficult it is to
keep all archers scores in a easily accessible format and area)
It was posed that maybe the archers themselves should be responsible
for keeping track of their own scores. I try to do this to see how I am
doing and also try to note what I do differently each time. My style
changes with the environment and conditions, my scores vary with the noted
changes in both. I would say yes, limit the number of scores posted at any
ONE time and allow for variances in the period between submitting scores.
For example, if you shoot every weekend, then submit your score every other
weekend. If you shoot only once a month, then submit your scores on a
monthly scale. If you only get to shoot at events, then allow the event
report to be filed with a listing of your scores. This is already the case
anyway. These are just my thoughts and ideas.
In Service,
Lord Menua
>From: Siegfried Sebastian Faust <eliwhite at adelphia.net>
>To: "Ignacio" <teatimemates at earthlink.net>, "Archery Marshals"
><archers at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>, "Greg Christensen"
><gcjckc at hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Archers] RE: Too many useless Royal Round Scores
>Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 20:20:57 -0400
>
>By our current rules, implicit within how the scoring is handled, only the
>top three scores of any one day could ever, possibly, be considered in
>one's average.
>
>So I would argue that it is 'no stretch' to put an 'official limit' of only
>turning in three scores a day per archer. Any more is just purely more
>work for the scorekeeper, and without really any benifit (If a specific
>archer wants to know ALL his scores, he can keep them himself, the kingdom
>scorekeeper's job is to keep that scores that will possibly lead to a
>ranking.)
>
>I do not like the idea of limiting it to one a day, because of the reason
>that Ignacio mentioned ... to someone that shoots them every week, it may
>not be a problem. However, to the occasional shooter, or worse, the person
>who needs to travel far to reach some place with a Royal Round being shot
>... they may take a LONG hard time to get three scores in.
>
>One of the 'draws' of the Royal Round that I have been able to use to get
>people to shoot it, and be scored (and my Baron has used as well)
>is: "Come on, all it has to take is to show up one day and shoot the RR
>three times, then you are ranked." That is usually then enough to get them
>'hooked', and wanting to see that average rise. (Or not ... but sometimes)
>
>Also, restricting it to only submitting one a day, might quite well
>discourage some people from practicing more, and getting better. If they
>shoot a good round, they may feel encouraged to 'stop', because they would
>feel horrible/cheated if they then did another good round, and only got to
>count one of them. So they get their 'good round', and leave for the day,
>instead of shooting more and more, trying to get better.
>
>I would also say that it wouldn't "hurt" to have mentioned in the rules,
>that while at MAX 3 scores, per person, per weapons form, can be submitted
>... that they need not be, at the archer's discretion.
>
>I know that in Highland Foorde we often don't submit scores that we know
>are because we had a bad day, or high wind, or equipment problems ... when
>we know that next weekend we are just going to do higher because we will be
>'back on track'. So we don't bog the scorekeeper down with such scores.
>
>Again, it needs to be a decision made by the ARCHER, not the marshal
>though. And the marshal would need to ask the archer if s/he wants them
>submitted.
>
>Siegfried
>
>
>At 06:29 PM 6/4/2002 -0400, Ignacio wrote:
>>Marshals all;
>>
>>What is your thoughts on this. If need be poll the archers in your area.
>>
>>I am one of the people that Gregge is talking about. At the baronial
>>practice I attend I will shoot anywhere from five to eight royal rounds. I
>>definitely do not need all of them listed.
>>
>>Because I shoot a lot of rounds, just the top round for the day is the
>>only
>>one that really counts. But if I had only shot just a few rounds this year
>>then every one would be important. Part of this would be a scorekeepers
>>(Gregge and, more important, the local scorekeeper) decision.
>>
>>Give your opinion before the decision is made.
>>
>>
>>Ignacio
>>
>>Honor, Valor, Knowledge, and Service
>>
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: Greg Christensen [mailto:gcjckc at hotmail.com]
>> >Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 8:13 PM
>> >To: teatimemates at earthlink.net
>> >Subject: Too many useless Royal Round Scores
>> >
>> >
>> >Ignacio,
>> >
>> >It seems that I am approving too many useless royal round scores.
>> >Maybe we
>> >should limit the it to the three highest scores shot in one day. Any
>>more
>> >than that does the archer no good anyway. It will be less typing and
>>will
>> >be less space on the server. Or we could be really bad like the East
>>and
>> >allow only one score per day to be posted.
>> >
>> >In Service to the DREAM (or until the server is full)
>> >GREGGE the ARCHER
>> >
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