[Ponte Alto] Fwd: RE: Demo and Marshal Activities (Ponte Alto)

[james barker]

Thank you Takeda

Pulling down the rules helps allot, clearly the mentioned Fiore demo does 
not fall under the defined rules of the Marshal and I will get together with 
Scott and prepare a document to pass up the chain of command.


James









----Original Message Follows----
From: Sigrune at aol.com
Reply-To: The Barony of Ponte Alto <ponte-alto at atlantia.sca.org>
To: ponte-alto at atlantia.sca.org (The Barony of Ponte Alto)
Subject: Re: [Ponte Alto] Fwd: RE: Demo and Marshal Activities (Ponte Alto)
Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 09:41:26 -0400

Seeing how I am bored at work, I will through in my $.02

Section IX of Appendix A. SOCIETY COMBAT, of Corpora states:
"1. Society combat-related activities are defined as armored
     combat, fencing, combat archery, marshalling, scouting,
     and banner bearing in combat. Other activities clearly
     falling within the scope of the above are also to be
     considered combat-related activities."

See also,
Apendix A, Section VII
KINGDOM, PRINCIPALITY, AND LOCAL OFFICERS.
"D. The Earl Marshal:
     The Earl Marshal is responsible for overseeing the
     conduct of all martial arts activities, including but not
     limited to tournament lists, wars, combat archery, and
     fencing, as well as such related activities as scouting
     and target archery. The Earl Marshal bears primary
     responsibility for promoting both the safety and the
     authenticity of the martial arts in the kingdom, but
     works with other officers in their areas of mutual
     interest."

I also would like to make a suggestion, since this falls under the perview 
of the Kingdom Earl Marshal, contact him, explain what it is you are doing, 
provide your credentials and he may then waive the requirements of waivers 
and a marshal.  In short it is something that falls under his perview by 
corpora, and only the KEM can make the call as to what is or is not required 
on a case by case basis.

Failing that if there is another reason why the people demonstrating the 
techniques do not wish to sign a waiver and get a marshal, why not simply 
perform the sword demo as the living history group that was mentioned 
earlier? I've been to faires, and open houses, schools and other places 
where a host of groups all contributed to a overall gathering, maybe that is 
the best way, since while period techniques with wasters and the like are 
studdied in the SCA, by demonstrating it as members of the SCA it may give a 
false impression of what combat is like within the SCA.

For what it is worth,
-Takeda Sanjuichiro Akimasa

In a message dated 5/4/2005 8:50:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "james barker" 
<flonzy at hotmail.com> writes:

 >No offence Mary but are you just making it up that it's a Marshal 
activity?
 >Under the definition you wrote wearing a sword at an event is a marshal
 >activity. What proof does anyone have this falls under the marshal? There
 >are no rules requiring the A&S study of historical combat.
 >
 >Frankly I don't see how this is under the marshal at all; it is not a form
 >of combat. It is not heavy fighting, rapier, or the mentioned sidesword
 >which is basically heavy rapier, were they hit each other. Demoing Fiore 
is
 >not a contact sport.
 >
 >We are talking about showing the way a sword would really be used with 
wood
 >sword shaped objects, at slow speed. It is the study of history which 
makes
 >it A&S.
 >
 >If Scott wanted to put on amour and do armed combat with the historical
 >study then it would fall into the category of something not allowed in the
 >SCA.
 >
 >Again Fiore movement demos are not a contact sport. It is not a sport, no
 >rules are applied and no combat is happening. This is about history.
 >
 >
 >James
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >----Original Message Follows----
 >From: Mary Bowles <mariatheresapontoon at yahoo.com>
 >Reply-To: The Barony of Ponte Alto <ponte-alto at atlantia.sca.org>
 >To: Melanie Cozad <melaniesuzanne at gmail.com>,The Barony of Ponte Alto
 ><ponte-alto at atlantia.sca.org>
 >Subject: Re: [Ponte Alto] Fwd: RE: Demo and Marshal Activities (Ponte 
Alto)
 >Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 13:38:56 -0700 (PDT)
 >
 >Hi Mel,
 >
 >Yes and no. The sword makes it a marshal activity as well as the knowledge
 >conveyed to the audiance. So even if there was no sword but you were 
showing
 >stances and holds it would still be a Marshal Activity.
 >
 >A marshal will be needed for the demonstration of the technique, and 
waivers
 >signed by the two participants for this reason. That is not a great deal 
to
 >ask, especially since we've gone from no demo to it being acceptable.
 >
 >YIS,
 >Lady Maria-Therese de Normand
 >Seneschal, Ponte Alto
 >
 >
 >Melanie Cozad <melaniesuzanne at gmail.com> wrote:
 >Question for TPTB:
 >
 >Is it a marshal activity if there is one person involved? One person
 >who is showing an audience stances and sword positions? Is it the
 >sword, even when not pointed at or thwacking someone, which makes this
 >a marshal activity?
 >
 >Thanks,
 >Melissent
 >
 >--
 >Melanie Cozad
 >Lady Melissent d'Artois [Barony of Ponte Alto, Kingdom of Atlantia, SCA]
 >Milicent Chapman [Lord Grey's Retinue, 15th C. Living History]
 >melaniesuzanne at gmail.com
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