[Ponte Alto] Fwd: RE: Demo and Marshal Activities (Ponte Alto)

Tue May 3 12:01:20 PDT 2005

To clarify one thing that I think may still be confusing people:  Waivers 
are signed by SCA fighters providing the martial demonstration, not the 
attendees.  Specifically, according to the waiver FAQ:

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Does everyone at the fighter practice or demo need to sign a waiver?

No. Only those fighters who can't provide proof of signed waiver on file at 
the SCA Corporate Headquarters need to sign a waiver. See the Waiver FAQs 
for Participants above for a further discussion on what constitutes proof 
of signed waiver on file at SCA Corporate Headquarters.
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Based on this, my interpretation would be that demonstrating Fiore, because 
it falls under the disciplines of the Earl Marshal, requires waivers 
pursuant to the waiver policy.  In other words, Scott and his demo partner 
need to sign waivers if they don't have blue membership cards, just like 
any other fighter involved in the demo.  No waivers get signed by the kids 
who are going to be watching the Fiore demonstration, and none of them are 
directly participating in it since that's already not allowed under the rules.

I also just saw the other e-mail with a question about whether a marshal is 
required.  Based on Jarl Timoch's answer, this demo is not considered to be 
any different from any other fighting demo, and given that I would say that 
a marshal is required.  I suspect that it would most appropriately be a 
heavy marshal, but I cannot state that categorically.  Both of those issues 
should be discussed with the Knight Marshal, and he can clear up any 
confusion by checking with his superiors.  The marshallate policy I found 
is this:

3.1.3.2.2.1   Each marshal related activity conducted at an event must have 
a MIC-Activity.

3.1.3.2.2.2   The MIC-Activity must be authorized to marshal that discipline.

Generally, for the purpose of definition, demos are considered activities 
in the same way that fighter practice is considered an activity.  However, 
the marshallate rules are not my area of expertise.

Caitlyn
Donning the seneschallate hat for this one

At 11:54 AM 5/3/2005, Mary Bowles wrote:
>HI James,
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>No. It is a Marshal Art and therefore falls under the Marshallete's 
>perview. No matter the Marshal activity the Kingdom Earl Marshall holds 
>dominion over it.
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>Mary
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>james barker <flonzy at hotmail.com> wrote:
>I do have one question with all of this. Does demoing Fiore fall under the
>marshal at all? It is not one of the SCAs marshal sports/combat styles.
>Being a researched thing would it not fall under A&S then forgoing the need
>for waiver? That was Scott's original question and mine still.
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>If nothing else this will cleat up the issue for the future :D
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>Thanks
>James
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>----Original Message Follows----
>From: Mary Bowles
>Reply-To: The Barony of Ponte Alto
>To: The Barony of Ponte Alto
>Subject: [Ponte Alto] Fwd: RE: Demo and Marshal Activities (Ponte Alto)
>Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 08:20:30 -0700 (PDT)
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>Greetings Ponte Alto,
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>I seemed to have misinterpreted what was conveyed to me. The Marshal
>Activities at Demo is not forbidden. The way in which it was handled in
>conveying information to Kingdom is where our troubles came in. Marshal
>activity for Demo's is outlined in the Marshal's handbook. I've attached the
>reply I received from Jarl Timoch below, when I requested we be able to do
>Scott Cozad's demonstration. So that everyone will understand there is a
>method for applying to the SCA to do Marshal DEMO's and how to go about it.
>I am also encouarageing Scott to try doing the Fieor (sp) demonstration at
>the June Demo because his efforts are appreciated, and because it's an
>interesting form of Marshal Art.
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>Any questions?
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>YIS,
>Lady Maria-Therese de Normand
>Seneschal, Ponte Alto
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>"Prickett, Timothy" wrote:
>From: "Prickett, Timothy"
>To: Mary Bowles
>CC: DuncanCooper at earthlink.net, Master Roland
>Subject: RE: Demo a nd Marshal Activities (Ponte Alto)
>Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 10:56:34 -0400
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>Hello Lady Maria,
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>I have CC'd Lord Duncan and Master Roland on this, to help expedite as
>needed. To answer your question specifically, I do not speak FOR the
>kingdom Seneschal. Whatever she said goes. She did ask me. If this is an
>SCA demo then no martial activities may occur outside of what the SCA
>allows. Your local marshal should be able to show you the rules that
>specifically cover this. If this is an SCA demo which includes marshallate
>covered activities, then the usual drill for cards and waivers must be
>adhered to. Those are the (briefly summed up) rules. I could not download
>your pictures, so I cannot comment further.
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>Your first, best point of contact is your local marshal. This is the
>information I currently have on:
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>Knight Marshal
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>Barony of Ponte Alto
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>Mem Expires: 12/31/2005
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>Cooper, Duncan L.(Duncan McClay)
>1819 Olmstead Drive, Falls Church, VA 22043
>Tel: 703-903-8876, email: DuncanCooper at earthlink.net
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>I applaud Scott Cozad for taking the time and energy to try to do a good
>show for the kids. I hope he can work within the rules, with the Baronial
>Knight's Marshal to make your demo a success. If your marshal needs my help
>or advice, he should know that he can call me or Master Roland and ask.
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>I hope this helps,
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>Jarl Timoch
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>KEM
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mary Bowles [mailto:mariatheresapontoon at yahoo.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 9:59 AM
>To: earlmarshal at atlantia.sca.org
>Subject: Demo and Marshal Activities (Ponte Alto)
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>Greetings Jarl Timoch Haakonson (Tim Prickett),
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>Recently one of my Barony (Ponte Alto), Scott Cozad, contacted the Kingdom
>Waiver Secretary to see if he would need waivers to do a Marshal
>Demonstration at a Demo. Ann was informed and it sent off a red light in her
>mind. She contacted you and the Kingdom Chatalaine. The outcome of these
>communications was that Ponte Alto/SCA could not sponsor a demo with Marshal
>Activity that was not an SCA approved Marshal Activity. I hope I've got this
>right. Please correct me if I haven't.
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>The style of Demo Scott Cozad would like to give in June is one he's done
>before with a living history group. Below I've attached his idea as he
>conveyed it to the Ponte Alto list, because I think it is a good idea. I ask
>that you reveiw it and either approve or deny the idea. The thought of not
>having some sort of Marshal demostration at demo's has kicked up an e-mail
>flurry on my Barony's list. They want it. They think it a integral part of
>showing and educating the public about the middle ages. Care will be taken
>in these demo's and children will not come into hazar d. Any questions please
>feel free to contact me, and I will get the experts on this subject in
>contact with you as soon as possible.
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>Thank you for you time and effort in giving this a review.
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>YIS,
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>Lady Maria-Therese de Normand
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>Seneschal, Ponte Alto
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> >From Scott Cozad to the Ponte Alto List (ullrmadr at yahoo.com)
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>It was my request for clarification that started this
>so I feel I should say something publicly.
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>What I wanted to do was demonstrate historical combat
>techniques with the longsword. I had planned on doing
>this with slow work. By that I mean slow and
>controlled movements with the wasters. I have been
>studying these techniques for several years and have
>done the kind of demo I will outline with living
>history groups that I am involved with.
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>The idea is to show what historical combat looked like
>and not what you see in movies. I was going to do
>this with wooden wasters and work with my demo partner
>beforehand. I chose the longsword because it is an
>impressive weapon and it is easier to see what is
>being done even at a distance.
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>I have pictures from an event that I did a few weeks
>ago at home. It is very similar to what I had hoped
>to achieve with the SCA school demos.&nb sp; I will put
>those pictures online when I get home tonight.
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>My intention in asking about doing this demo was not
>to stir up a storm. I wanted to dot all my "t's" and
>cross my "I's". I am saddened by the decision not to
>be allowed to do this demo.
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>Cheers,
>Scott Cozad
>Edward de Clare in the SCA.
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>And an addendem to my last post. All of what I
>planned was going to be out of range of the childern.
>The space available would dictate the distance and if
>there was not sufficient space the demo would be
>altered or scrapped.
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>Al so I do not allow childern to handle weapons of any
>sort. This is a longstanding policy of many of the
>living history groups I am part of.
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>Cheers,
>Scott Cozad
>Edward de Clare in the SCA
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>I have uploaded images taken a few weeks ago at a
>living history timeline event. This is what I was
>trying to arrange to do.
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>The images are not in any order but I think this shows
>pretty much what I had hoped to achive. Some of the
>images show us using single handed swords and I said I
>had planned to use only longswords in my demo. I
>included these to better show more of what I had hoped
>to show.
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>Here is the url
>http://photobucket.com/albums/v643/scozad/MTT%20Demo/
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>If you have any questions on what you are seeing
>please let me know.
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>Cheers,
>Scott Cozad
>Edward de Clare in the SCA
>Edward the pell in La Belle Company :-)
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