[MR] Fall Coronation
Logan
Logan at ebonwoulfe.com
Tue May 24 04:21:06 PDT 2011
not true. when esa and i first brought this up, to alleviate this very
situation, there were plenty of folks that said "no way" / "not possible" /
"unfair" / "too hard". there were more that said "sure, that would be
easy". now this was just for betsy jeff penn which is one of the best kept
sites ive seen in over 20 years. professionally staffed and very
maintained. i talked about having a simple video tour available online
complete with cabin tours, kitchen tours, and detailed and downloadable maps
of the camp and surrounding town. still there were some that suggested it
would be impossible to do! perhaps for them it would be. some people
simply cannot grasp the idea, i get that. but many more people thought it
worth a try.
there are/were tricks involved of course. unforeseen complications?
certainly. impossible??? really? sad thing is that profit was a big
"concern" and making it so every group had a chance at the dough was a
common subject. a rotating schedule was an easy solution. the advantages
were/are numerous. cheaper rate (by way of a contracted price), stability
in the whole process since the site was already locked in, centrally located
(some folks argue that richmond va is the center of the kingdom though),
great site, ability for folks to plan well in advance, etc.
perfect solution for everyone? in the real world thats nearly impossible,
in the sca world there will be snowball fights in hell before that happens.
but it is a partial solution and one that should be considered. the groups
that come up with reasons not to send in bids will still come up with
reasons not to (and probably complain that kingdom events are never held in
their area). some crowns might dislike it, at first, but they would know
going into a reign that crown/coronation is being held at this one spot.
and lets face it, both of these events are pretty simple and straightforward
affairs to run.
if it really is that hard to secure usable sites on the short notice that
crown/coronations dictate what other solutions are there that are as simple?
regards
logan
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From: atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
[mailto:atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Gerita
della Mara
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 9:49 PM
To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: Re: [MR] Fall Coronation
Possibly true, but I'll tell you...you'll never get someone from Far North
Atlantia to be willing to autocrat at an already-set site in North Carolina
(or vice versa) without having spent considerable time on said site. It's
just not reasonable to expect someone to plan and staff an event at a site
they have no idea what to expect from, and don't have to take a week off
work to go and look over.
Gerita
On 5/23/2011 9:01 PM, Morgul wrote:
> If memory serves, a couple of years ago, around the time of Logan and
Esa's coronation, there was a discussion of using sites in central NC as the
main site for Kingdom events such as coronation and crown tourney. The
Betsey Penn center was specifically recommended. I believe the goal was to
have Kingdom events as centrally located in the Kingdom as possible. It
would make attendance more feasible for most folks, as most people in SC
aren't likely to make trips to VA or MD because of distance and lodging, and
vice versa.
> That may be the best alternative, to look for a couple of good sites in
that area for Kingdom use. As someone has already mentioned, having a site
locked in and ready to go should make the task of getting bids easier.
>
> Just some thoughts...
>
> -Cian mac Ceallachain Ui Dubhlaich
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 23, 2011, at 12:01 PM, acresouth at aol.com wrote:
>
>> I agree with all of your reasons and I will add one:
>>
>> There is a perception that the Prince/Princess prefer sites closer to
their home base. Bids in the North for crowning southern royalty seem to
get rejected and vice-versa. So similar to #3 below -- why bother to put
together a bid when you perceive that you will be rejected due to past
experience of "being too far to travel."
>>
>> I am not saying that Their Highnesses should not have the prerogative to
select their coronation site, as a matter of fact, with the cost of
gas/travel, it seems more likely they would and should stay closer to home.
So, at present, that leaves a large number of groups that are far away
hesitant about submitting bids. Although I think it is quite ironic that
the bid that has come in is from as far north as you can go and then some
into another kingdom...
>>
>> Adriana di Salaparuta
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michelle Cock<theoriginalmcc at gmail.com>
>> To: Merry Rose<atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
>> Sent: Mon, May 23, 2011 11:19 am
>> Subject: Re: [MR] Fall Coronation
>>
>>
>> I, too, may have missed some of the conversation, but I would love to
>> ear from some of the folks that have autocratted a Coronation in the
>> ecent past (since fall 2008, maybe). I suspect that there are a
>> ultitude of reasons for a lack of bids, in addition the economy and
>> ther concerns already expressed. I offer the following four, which
>> re unfortunate side-effects of the success of Atlantia:
>> 1) Many potential autocrats don't know there is a lack of Coronation
>> ids until too close to the event to plan.
>> 2) Baronies and local groups are committed to planning more of their
>> wn, small, local events.
>> 2) People who submitted Coronation bids back when there were
>> ultiples, and got their bid rejected, might not want to go through ll
>> the planning just to have their bid rejected again. (This same hing
>> can happen after the plea goes out for last-minute bids.)
>> 3) Autocrats treat Coronation planning with the same care that they
>> ould put into planning a wedding. Neither the planners nor the eople
>> for whom the Coronation is being planned want to settle for a odest
>> event. This has many consequences, but it comes from great
>> ntentions.
>>
>> eep up the ideas- maybe an "Above the Salt" prereg feast would work
>> icely with some event sites. Maybe we need to look at early-bird
>> iscounts that offset the ACCEPS service charge. Maybe former Royals
>> ho enjoyed their own Coronation need to ask their autocrats to hold
>> lasses on autocratting that specific event.
>> ~Wenllyan
>> On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Marie Stewart<maricelt at gmail.com>
wrote:
>>> What does a group really need to provide for a Coronation?
>> And I will admit I'm thinking Barest Minimum here.
>>
>> A dry hall which is accessible to everyone. Places to sit are useful.
>> Bathrooms. Some form of parking.
>>
>> Good things to provide, but not Absolutely Crucial... A place to change
>> clothing. A place for the Royals. A place to cook/heat food.
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