[MR] [Marshalls] Fighters by Kingdom
Wayne Remes
wremes at carolina.rr.com
Mon Jun 27 08:21:32 PDT 2011
No you did not miss anything, a marshal should not judge a fighters blow
force "on the tourney or melee field" unless possibly asked to by the struck
combatant. However it is the Marshallete's job to train fighters, not just
be safety people... As part of that training a marshal will be the 1st
person to explain and demonstrate what telling force is, as well as attempt
to correct a fighters possible miss- interpretation of that force level when
it seems to constantly creep up or down during training.
Axel
-----Original Message-----
From: atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
[mailto:atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Laurence
Lagnese
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 11:10 AM
To: Aedan Aylwyn
Cc: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
Subject: Re: [MR] [Marshalls] Fighters by Kingdom
Umm not a Marshall but that is decided by the fighter who is struck and no
one else. Or did I miss something?
Altan
On Jun 27, 2011 11:06 AM, "Aedan Aylwyn" <aedan at mindspring.com> wrote:
> M'lady,
>
> I'm sorry that you feel it is a burden but it is actually very necessary.
> While the rules are standard across the Kingdom, the way they are
> interpreted and taught can vary extremely if not kept in check.
>
> Let's look at just one rule from the armored handbook: 3.6.1.3.1 A
> blow that strikes a legal target area with telling force will be
acknowledged.
>
> What is "telling force"? Can you teach that just from reading the
> rule? To keep it consistent across Atlantia, marshals (the ones that
> enforce these sorts of things) need to have experience with not only
> fighters in their local group, but also with how fighters in Bright
> Hills throw blows
compared
> to Windmasters Hill compared to Caer Mear compared to Sacred Stone
compared
> to...
>
> The warranting process of the marshalate is designed to make sure a
marshal
> doesn't perpetuate local oddities but instead is forced to be familiar
with
> more than just how his local friends do things. This exposure to out
> of region marshaling along with the need for recurring refresher
> classes on what's changed, problems cropping up, etc are vital to
> ensuring we are consistent across Kingdom in how we fight and monitor
others who fight.
>
> Once you go out of kingdom, the problems can become even more extreme
> as there are in fact rule differences between kingdoms as well as
> strong cultural differences. Ask anyone that's fought a fighter from
> the West or Caid about anything odd that cropped up.
>
> So once every two years or so, a marshal has to make it to a
> University or other large event to refresh their classes, get exposure
> to what is going
on
> elsewhere in the Kingdom and in general learn what is going on outside
> of their local group.
>
> Aedan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> [mailto:atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Sandi
Rust
> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 10:24 AM
> To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
> Subject: Re: [MR] [Marshalls] Fighters by Kingdom
>
> Allo to the Tavern,
>
> The dearth of marshals (especially heavy armored) is a common topic
> with
my
> husband. Many HAC (heavy armored combattants) are more inclined to
> fight than to play "safety officer". I was informed by a fighter who
> was working towards a marshallate that he has to go OUT OF REGION to
> complete his Marshallate training. In my opinion, that is ludicrist;
> especially in
these
> days of soaring gas prices. As I understand it, all the safety rules
> are pretty much standard throughout the kingdom, if not all the
> kingdoms. Why
do
> they have to go out of region? Shouldn't we be making it easier to get
> a marshallate warrant instead of harder? I can understand the
> necessity to
MIT
> at "X" number of events and to see "tested" by more than one marshal
> in
more
> than one canton or barony and let the applicant choose how far they
> can travel.
>
> If there were more marshals, my husband could play in his armor more
(except
> for fighter practice) and his pretty "sticks" could actually get some
damage
> to them. He hasn't had to completely replace one for over a year. The
> ones he did, I know one was from before we moved back to Atlantia 7 years
ago.
>
> Please, please, please let's think of incintives to bring folk into
> the marshallate.
>
> It's pretty sad when I can count the number of local (two baronies)
> active (or partly active) HAC marshals on a hand and a half.
>
> Marie Hélène of the New Forest (San)
>
> --- On Mon, 6/27/11, sigrune at aol.com <sigrune at aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: sigrune at aol.com <sigrune at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [MR] [Marshalls] Fighters by Kingdom
> To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
> Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 4:30 AM
>
>
> Greetings unto all,
>
> I recently moved just outside of Atlantia, and upon reading the rules
here,
> I chose to seek to become a marshal.
>
> I have participated for over 20 years, and I had intended to give back
long
> before this.
>
> While I was in Atlantia, I chose not to try to become warranted for
> one reason, the process and expectations of getting and maintaining
> one's warrant. I have spoken in private about this to some in the
> past, but will speak publicly now, since a question of numbers has
> been raised and it
seems
> that there is a disadvantage that needs addressing to the benefit of all.
> (This applies to more than the marshallate in my opinion, but I will
> speak of this one only since it is the one raised)
>
> The warranting process in Atlantia has more requirements than I see in
other
> Kingdoms (I have not done a in depth comparison kingdom by kingdom,
> but
only
> those I have lived in over the years or when a point has been raised
> in a multi-kingdom discussion). Atlantian policy is more codified and
> rigid, classes must be undertook, requirements of travel must be met.
> It is not enough by the written policy to demonstrate the knowledge of
> the rules, performance of duty, and competency to several marshals
> with the power to warrant have seen and tested enough to determine
> warranting or continued review (or a flat out denial). I myself found
> it a sufficient detractor
for
> a number of reasons, most notably the expectation of travel in order
> to learn to perform a volunteered service on my part.
>
> I am not speaking to judge why this is the policy, there may have been
> abuses or warranted concern for potential abuse, or other factors I do
> not see. I simply am stating the policy to become and maintain a
> warrant in Atlantia while I lived there was beyond what I was willing
> to do to volunteer. Having traveled to numerous kingdoms, seen and
> talked with
their
> marshals, fought under their watch, gone through their inspections, I
> have not detected a noticeable increase in the ability of an Atlantian
> marshal
to
> perform diligently compared to those outside it. I would further
> state, I have on more occasions had pause listening or witnessing a
> marshal
misread,
> misquote, or misjudge a rule more often in Atlantia than with marshals
> of other kingdoms, though this could be accountable at the difference
> in time
I
> spent in kingdom and outside it.
>
> From my own experience in the matter, I humbly proffer the suggestion
> the Crown and Officers of Atlantia look at their policy as written,
> and
consider
> the benefits it offers now as well as its potential detriments to a
greater
> level of participation in the warranted volunteer positions.
>
> Sincerely, and with respect intended,
>
> -Lord Takeda Sanjuichiro Akimasa.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: deallac <deallac at juno.com>
> To: marshalls <marshalls at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
> Cc: atlantia <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
> Sent: Sun, Jun 26, 2011 2:57 pm
> Subject: Re: [MR] [Marshalls] Fighters by Kingdom
>
> Unto my fellow Atlantians, greetings from Kevin of Thornbury.As a
> member
of
> the Order of the Pelican in Atlantia, I must say that Ido not like
> these numbers at all. I did a quick analysis of the ratioof armored
> fighters to marshalls and our beloved kindgom is rankedsolidly at the
> bottom of the
list
> where it comes to this service.In Atlantia, for every 10 armored
> fighters there is one person whoserves to marshal them. Across the
> SCA, there is a marshal for anaverage of only three (or so) armored
> fighters.This is not a call for more non-combatants to stand out in a
> field andwatch the rest of
us
> play. This is a call for more of my brothers andsisters in arms to
> study
and
> train as a marshal in order to bettershow courtesy and respect for all
> who work to ensure our safety.My resulting list is shown here for your
> consideration:Aethelmearc 4.55Ansteorra 1.88An Tir 2.42Artemisia
> 2.51Atenvelt 5.00Atlantia 10.35Caid 4.35Calontir 3.18Drachenwald
> 3.85Eldormere 1.91East 5.07Glenn Abhann 5.84Lochac 1.98Meridies
> 0.99Middle 6.30Northshield 2.55Outlands 7.00Trimaris 3.09West
> 2.19SCA-wide 3.26-
Kevin
> of Thornbury, OPOn Mon,
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