[MR] [Marshalls] Fighters by Kingdom

[Laurence Lagnese]

Umm not a Marshall but that is decided by the fighter who is struck and no
one else.      Or did I miss something?

Altan
On Jun 27, 2011 11:06 AM, "Aedan Aylwyn" <aedan at mindspring.com> wrote:
> M'lady,
>
> I'm sorry that you feel it is a burden but it is actually very necessary.
> While the rules are standard across the Kingdom, the way they are
> interpreted and taught can vary extremely if not kept in check.
>
> Let's look at just one rule from the armored handbook: 3.6.1.3.1 A blow
> that strikes a legal target area with telling force will be acknowledged.
>
> What is "telling force"? Can you teach that just from reading the rule? To
> keep it consistent across Atlantia, marshals (the ones that enforce these
> sorts of things) need to have experience with not only fighters in their
> local group, but also with how fighters in Bright Hills throw blows
compared
> to Windmasters Hill compared to Caer Mear compared to Sacred Stone
compared
> to...
>
> The warranting process of the marshalate is designed to make sure a
marshal
> doesn't perpetuate local oddities but instead is forced to be familiar
with
> more than just how his local friends do things. This exposure to out of
> region marshaling along with the need for recurring refresher classes on
> what's changed, problems cropping up, etc are vital to ensuring we are
> consistent across Kingdom in how we fight and monitor others who fight.
>
> Once you go out of kingdom, the problems can become even more extreme as
> there are in fact rule differences between kingdoms as well as strong
> cultural differences. Ask anyone that's fought a fighter from the West or
> Caid about anything odd that cropped up.
>
> So once every two years or so, a marshal has to make it to a University or
> other large event to refresh their classes, get exposure to what is going
on
> elsewhere in the Kingdom and in general learn what is going on outside of
> their local group.
>
> Aedan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
> [mailto:atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Sandi
Rust
> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 10:24 AM
> To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
> Subject: Re: [MR] [Marshalls] Fighters by Kingdom
>
> Allo to the Tavern,
>
> The dearth of marshals (especially heavy armored) is a common topic with
my
> husband. Many HAC (heavy armored combattants) are more inclined to fight
> than to play "safety officer". I was informed by a fighter who was working
> towards a marshallate that he has to go OUT OF REGION to complete his
> Marshallate training. In my opinion, that is ludicrist; especially in
these
> days of soaring gas prices. As I understand it, all the safety rules are
> pretty much standard throughout the kingdom, if not all the kingdoms. Why
do
> they have to go out of region? Shouldn't we be making it easier to get a
> marshallate warrant instead of harder? I can understand the necessity to
MIT
> at "X" number of events and to see "tested" by more than one marshal in
more
> than one canton or barony and let the applicant choose how far they can
> travel.
>
> If there were more marshals, my husband could play in his armor more
(except
> for fighter practice) and his pretty "sticks" could actually get some
damage
> to them. He hasn't had to completely replace one for over a year. The ones
> he did, I know one was from before we moved back to Atlantia 7 years ago.
>
> Please, please, please let's think of incintives to bring folk into the
> marshallate.
>
> It's pretty sad when I can count the number of local (two baronies) active
> (or partly active) HAC marshals on a hand and a half.
>
> Marie Hélène of the New Forest (San)
>
> --- On Mon, 6/27/11, sigrune at aol.com <sigrune at aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: sigrune at aol.com <sigrune at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [MR] [Marshalls] Fighters by Kingdom
> To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
> Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 4:30 AM
>
>
> Greetings unto all,
>
> I recently moved just outside of Atlantia, and upon reading the rules
here,
> I chose to seek to become a marshal.
>
> I have participated for over 20 years, and I had intended to give back
long
> before this.
>
> While I was in Atlantia, I chose not to try to become warranted for one
> reason, the process and expectations of getting and maintaining one's
> warrant. I have spoken in private about this to some in the past, but will
> speak publicly now, since a question of numbers has been raised and it
seems
> that there is a disadvantage that needs addressing to the benefit of all.
> (This applies to more than the marshallate in my opinion, but I will speak
> of this one only since it is the one raised)
>
> The warranting process in Atlantia has more requirements than I see in
other
> Kingdoms (I have not done a in depth comparison kingdom by kingdom, but
only
> those I have lived in over the years or when a point has been raised in a
> multi-kingdom discussion). Atlantian policy is more codified and rigid,
> classes must be undertook, requirements of travel must be met.  It is not
> enough by the written policy to demonstrate the knowledge of the rules,
> performance of duty, and competency to several marshals with the power to
> warrant have seen and tested enough to determine warranting or continued
> review (or a flat out denial). I myself found it a sufficient detractor
for
> a number of reasons, most notably the expectation of travel in order to
> learn to perform a volunteered service on my part.
>
> I am not speaking to judge why this is the policy, there may have been
> abuses or warranted concern for potential abuse, or other factors I do not
> see.  I simply am stating the policy to become and maintain a warrant in
> Atlantia while I lived there was beyond what I was willing to do to
> volunteer.  Having traveled to numerous kingdoms, seen and talked with
their
> marshals, fought under their watch, gone through their inspections, I have
> not detected a noticeable increase in the ability of an Atlantian marshal
to
> perform diligently compared to those outside it. I would further state, I
> have on more occasions had pause listening or witnessing a marshal
misread,
> misquote, or misjudge a rule more often in Atlantia than with marshals of
> other kingdoms, though this could be accountable at the difference in time
I
> spent in kingdom and outside it.
>
> From my own experience in the matter, I humbly proffer the suggestion the
> Crown and Officers of Atlantia look at their policy as written, and
consider
> the benefits it offers now as well as its potential detriments to a
greater
> level of participation in the warranted volunteer positions.
>
> Sincerely, and with respect intended,
>
> -Lord Takeda Sanjuichiro Akimasa.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: deallac <deallac at juno.com>
> To: marshalls <marshalls at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org>
> Cc: atlantia <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
> Sent: Sun, Jun 26, 2011 2:57 pm
> Subject: Re: [MR] [Marshalls] Fighters by Kingdom
>
> Unto my fellow Atlantians, greetings from Kevin of Thornbury.As a member
of
> the Order of the Pelican in Atlantia, I must say that Ido not like these
> numbers at all. I did a quick analysis of the ratioof armored fighters to
> marshalls and our beloved kindgom is rankedsolidly at the bottom of the
list
> where it comes to this service.In Atlantia, for every 10 armored fighters
> there is one person whoserves to marshal them. Across the SCA, there is a
> marshal for anaverage of only three (or so) armored fighters.This is not a
> call for more non-combatants to stand out in a field andwatch the rest of
us
> play. This is a call for more of my brothers andsisters in arms to study
and
> train as a marshal in order to bettershow courtesy and respect for all who
> work to ensure our safety.My resulting list is shown here for your
> consideration:Aethelmearc 4.55Ansteorra 1.88An Tir 2.42Artemisia
> 2.51Atenvelt 5.00Atlantia 10.35Caid 4.35Calontir 3.18Drachenwald
> 3.85Eldormere
> 1.91East 5.07Glenn Abhann 5.84Lochac 1.98Meridies 0.99Middle
> 6.30Northshield 2.55Outlands 7.00Trimaris 3.09West 2.19SCA-wide 3.26-
Kevin
> of Thornbury, OPOn Mon,
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