[MR] Egyptian Personas in the SCA

[Logan]

hardly a straw man.  hardly.

the problem, which you claim is "more often", seems to be (as you then
state) what you encountered.  ive spoken to many dozens of new folks that
'did it wrong'.  many dozens.  i helped them "do it right".  so, how many
times have you actually seen "it" done in a "wrong" way?  i mean personally
watched this happen?  just going on what you stated youve seen it happen
once, and once that wasnt so bad as to chase you away.  ive personally done
it many dozens of times, each time helping the well-meaning new person
correct their misconception of what the sca is.  so lets assume, for a
moment, that you and i are somewhere in the neighborhood of 1 vs 36.  you
didnt run away and my 36 didnt either.

so why, again, is this correction a bad thing?  never mind, its a correction
after all.  corrections are always the right thing.  yes, sometimes they can
be handled poorly but ive met thousands of sca folks in the last twenty plus
years and very few of them are total asshats that would puff-up on a new
person just to tell them they were wrong.  in fact i really dont know that
ive ever met that person to be honest.

its additionally odd that you finish your comment by agreeing with me and
stating that we do, in fact, need to prevent folks from allowing "all things
to fly".  you claim, at the end, that there is a way to correct people but
you make it sound like you demand that anyone doing so is "wrong",
"offensive", etc etc.  you cant have it both ways.  you know that right?

logan

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-----Original Message-----
From: atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
[mailto:atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Gina
Shelley
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 11:25 PM
To: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
Subject: Re: [MR] Egyptian Personas in the SCA


Well, my answer to your stormtrooper analogy, is "Nice strawman."

But to return to the topic at hand, I would say that one of the the worst
problems the SCA has is the widespread belief that this is the worst problem
the SCA has. 

When newcomers show up at an event and the first thing out of anyone's mouth
is "You're doing it wrong", we can only hope that the reaction is one of
apathy. That's our best outcome. What happens more often, actually, is that
the targets of the confrontation decide we're a bunch of social midgets that
they don't want anything more to do with. 

In fact, it was done to me when I first started out, too. Fortunately, I was
having too much fun to not give the SCA another chance. So I just decided
that person's opinion had maybe slightly less value to me than last week's
pile of toenail clippings and moved on with my life. However, that was long
enough ago that that particular style of "Welcome To The SCA" was the
exception rather than the rule. Unlike now, it would seem. 

Do we need to just let all sorts of things fly? Of course not. Do we need to
apply a little common sense? Yes, please.  Nobody cares what some rude
stranger thinks. Saying "that's not period" to people when you don't'
approve of their clothing is so played, so wrong, and so offensive it's
become an SCA joke.  However, if a kind, friendly, non-judgmental person
models the right way and gently leads by example, they will get followed. It
might take a little time. That's okay. If you don't put people on the
defensive, you'll GET time.


Dulcy


> 
> so how do you, with "courtesy", tell someone that their storm trooper 
> outfit doesnt fit into the sca?  your charge is that there isnt a way 
> to tell someone they are doing something wrong.  i disagree.  the 
> whole "lets be nice and never say no to anyone and lets create awards 
> and peerages and tokens for everyone" is, in my opinion, the worst problem
the sca has.
> 
> so, i have to ask, if someone showed up in said storm trooper gig why 
> would you be unable to politely tell them that it didnt belong?

 		 	   		  
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