[MR] The Alleged Cesspit That Is The Merry Rose
Thorwulfgar Uvaerkaller
thorwulff at yahoo.com
Fri Aug 26 21:18:21 PDT 2011
True that my friend.
But some of us live in america,doesnt mean we are from here.
I like Throwing axes as my "lead" per say.
guns are good, but a tad bit expensive on the ammo.
but again your history is very correct.
"Pull" Bang. a few drops of blood..post mortum depression.
yeah rattan and axes..much better.
Torgar
dips a large spoon into my part of the so called "cesspit".....needs garlic.^^
Fearlessness is better then a faint heart for any man who puts his nose out of doors,The length of my life and the day of my death were fated long ago.
Thorwulfgar Uvaerkaller
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From: Chris Harrop <chrshrrp at yahoo.com>
To: Thorwulfgar Uvaerkaller <thorwulff at yahoo.com>
Cc: the merry rose site? <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: [MR] The Alleged Cesspit That Is The Merry Rose
It's a good thing we can resolve our disputes with rattan and not lead. And everyone gets a cold one when the smoke clears. If my history is correct Americans have found some very noisy and messy ways to settle things once upon a time.
Chris Harrop
Referral agent and business broker for
Westgate Realty. Office 703-208-9999. Cell 703-894-7129 and 571-722-7587. Serving the Washington D.C. metro area.
From: Thorwulfgar Uvaerkaller <thorwulff at yahoo.com>
To: David Chessler <chessler at usa.net>; Chris Harrop <chrshrrp at yahoo.com>; Timothy Carter <luminaebanis at hotmail.com>
Cc: "atlantia at atlantia.sca.org" <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: [MR] The Alleged Cesspit That Is The Merry Rose
hmm..I never thought anyone with skill of blade gentlemen,
but since I too wield the blade aside from being heavy,
well said.
Torgar
Fearlessness is better then a faint heart for any man who puts his nose out of doors,The length of my life and the day of my death were fated long ago.
Thorwulfgar Uvaerkaller
From: David Chessler <chessler at usa.net>
To: Thorwulfgar Uvaerkaller <thorwulff at yahoo.com>; David Chessler <chessler at usa.net>; Chris Harrop <chrshrrp at yahoo.com>; Timothy Carter <luminaebanis at hotmail.com>
Cc: atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:46 PM
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I consider myself a
gentleman.
Rapier.
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From: Thorwulfgar Uvaerkaller <thorwulff at yahoo.com>
To: David Chessler <chessler at usa.net>, Chris Harrop <chrshrrp at yahoo.com>,
Timothy Carter <luminaebanis at hotmail.com>Cc: the merry rose site?
<atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
Subject: Re: [MR] The Alleged Cesspit That Is The
Merry Rose
> Force of arms?
>
> Heck Yeah! I am for that.
> pick yer poison....
>
> mace,sword,dagger,great sword,long sword,spear,pike,halberd,sword and
shield,
> and my messy but personal favorite...axe.
>
>
> Torgar
>
>
> Fearlessness is better then a faint heart for any man who puts his nose out
of doors,The length of my life and the day of my death were fated long ago.
>
> Thorwulfgar Uvaerkaller
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: David Chessler <chessler at usa.net>
> To: Chris Harrop <chrshrrp at yahoo.com>; Timothy Carter
<luminaebanis at hotmail.com>
> Cc: the merry rose site? <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 9:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [MR] The Alleged Cesspit That Is The Merry Rose
>
>
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> Received: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 07:48:57 PM EDT
> From: Chris Harrop <chrshrrp at yahoo.com>
> To: Timothy Carter <luminaebanis at hotmail.com>Cc: the merry rose site?
> <atlantia at atlantia.sca.org>
> Subject: Re: [MR] The Alleged Cesspit That Is The Merry Rose
>
> > Some of this sounds like political speak!
> >
>
> Maybe we should settle our disputes by force of arms. It would be "period."
> :-P
>
> >
> > Chris Harrop
> > Referral agent and business broker for
> > Westgate Realty. Office 703-208-9999. Cell 703-894-7129 and
571-722-7587.
> Serving the Washington D.C. metro area.
> >
> > From: Timothy Carter <luminaebanis at hotmail.com>
> > To: Hrothny <online2much at cox.net>; paintedwheel at hotmail.com;
> atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
> > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 1:53 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MR] The Alleged Cesspit That Is The Merry Rose
> >
> >
> > There are many who attempt to live up to the noble ideals the SCA life
> promotes: courtesy, honor, chivalry -- indeed, the best moral behavior that
> many of us cling to as we seek out this dream in our "real life," and in
> failing to find it in the corporate world, enjoy it in our SCA family.
When
> we attend events and are met by newcomers, old friends, and everyone else
in
> between, we often portray ourselves as living up to those cherished
ideals
as
> best we can. Sometimes not always making it, but all-in-all, I believe we
> all at least try.
> >
> > But then there are those who are the "Sunday Saints" who act at modelling
> the very image of high character, of noble courtesy and chivalrous
intention,
> when and where it suits them to do so, mostly at events and other
face-to-face
> gatherings where they can and will most likely be held to immediate
> responsibility for their conduct. It is when such are removed from public
> view that their more base nature is set free and finds its way to pollute
> venues and forums such as our beloved Merry Rose.
> >
> > For those that attend, ever notice the "Sunday Saint" being so devout
while
> in church only to witness their hypocrisy as they behave poorly and against
> church teachings away from the altar? For some, it
is no different in the
> SCA as such people parade at our meetings and events as if to say, "see me
and
> how I am as Lord/Lady such-and-such," only to forget how they attempted to
> project themselves and are left uncovered showing their true behaviors once
> the garb comes off.
> >
> > For a society where many are and aspire to be noble, even
nobler-than-thou,
> in truth I have found there are also many who are not as noble as they
would
> play to be; however, even this is accurate in period though time and again
it
> is professed that one of the goals of the SCA is to recreate/display the
> "best" of our historical period!
> >
> > Perhaps what we are experiencing is the result of the decline and
collapse
> of effective home training. Maybe educating young people in good social
> skill has failed to such a point that even institutions
as our beloved SCA
now
> feels the bruising that is ripe within the teen and young adult culture
> outside of the SCA, and if so, perhaps moderating the forum has now become
a
> necessary evil.
> >
> > Being an educator, and I am sure many teachers can admit this, the level
of
> consideration and social character has greatly diminished over these last
> years, due in part to weakening family values, education, and a rise in
> pushing the youth to become adult-like at younger ages without such
> development coinciding with understanding and acceptance of responsibility.
> >
> > Are we to take an active hand now and attempt to teach such things to
those
> who publish offensive posts? If such rabble and trash were to be
presented
> on TV or radio, even websites, then the logical person would simply switch
> channels or close the
website. Thus it is easy to see why many have
> abandoned The Merry Rose. BUT this is the medium for the bulk of our
> communications across the realm. it is OUR voice and ears for the mass
> populace. We, those who wish to purge the sewer of the vermin and funk
that
> created the stench, need to take a proactive stance and not abandon it to
> those that would destroy.
> >
> > It would seem there are two methods to do this that immediately come to
> mind.
> >
> > One method is by moderation which can be easily done through a
registration
> process and restricting the forum to members only. Offenders would
therefore
> face suspension and/or revokation of posting/memeber privileges -- much
like
> how we monitor martial and populace behaviors at events. Perhaps a
council
> of moderators holding a forum
court to discuss and determine what outcome
> should be decided upon those who would offend.
> >
> > A second method may simply become peer pressure and use political power
to
> suppress offfenders, ie. "Baron/Baroness X, Chatelaine W, or Seneschal Y,
one
> of your populace is offending the Merry Rose. Would you mind speaking to
> him/her about SCA ideals and proper behavior?" Self-policing, which may
seem
> a bit like tattle-tailing, may be a solution, if not simply a part of an
> overall solution. If less people abandoned the forum, then I would hope
such
> political powers would step up and handle errant offenders without being
> requested to do so.
> >
> > To those that do read this missive, be considerate of your neighbors and
> friends found in The Merry Rose. Post privately your responses before you
> post
publicly those things you would not want publicly said about you.
> Before you post, think if it is necessary to attempt to sound/be important,
> that if you must nit-pick/correct every error, or attempt to stupify the
> original posting gentle by wanting to steal thunder and playing
> one-upsmanship. Is it really to benefit the reader, or is your reply simply
to
> promote your mastery at offending others? If you are truly genius in a
> topic, show it by writing for Compleat Anachronist and let discussion be
> discussion by being active in gently leading ithe conversation or carefully
> answering posts to promote learning -- not name calling or supporting
> frustration that damages feeelings and friendships.
> >
> > Our real world is not a peaceful place, but here, amongst friends, it can
> be. It is our choosing.
> >
> >
> >
Timothy Carter
> > luminaebanis at hotmail.com
> >
> > SCA: Herr Gunther von Lindenwald #109809
> > Barony of Marinus, Atlantia
> > ---
> > For EMERGENCIES or more immediate contact,
> > please call (757) 753-0107. Available ALL hours.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > From: online2much at cox.net
> > > To: paintedwheel at hotmail.com; atlantia at atlantia.sca.org
> > > Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 12:57:52 -0400
> > > Subject: Re: [MR] The Alleged Cesspit That Is The Merry Rose
> > >
> > > > If you think this is a nasty place to hang out...well...
> > > > all I can say is you ain't been out of the Tavern near enough.
> > > > This is Romper Room.
> > >
> > > It isn't Romper Room. Most of the long-time members and Peers who have
> been
> > > driven off of the Merry Rose are quite well accustomed to the type of
> acrid
> > > discussion you allude to - and yet they find this, the place where
> members
> > > of the SCA are supposed to be able to chat, learn, and exchange ideas
to
> be
> > > one of the least attractive assets of the SCA and our Kingdom
>
specifically.
> > > I've been treated to many a confused and pitying look or comment from
my
> > > friends about my continued presence here... manly because of the rude
> > > behaviour of, I have to admit, the most frequent posters. Yeah, you own
> the
> > > List, as it were, you frequent 'expert' posters, and you glory in your
> > > fighting - but it is rude and even painful to read.
> > >
> > > And this is where our new Kingdom members come first, to get to know us
> > > during the week when we're not at events.
> > >
> > > That is the *only* reason I am still subscribed. So I can, at need,
write
> > > privately to someone who is getting ganged up on and tell them that
this
> is
> > > NOT the true face of Atlantia.
> > >
> > > To use a simile, if I were an
archaeologist, this would be a midden
pile.
> > > There are a few wonderful discoveries here, but the rest is... well, I
> don't
> > > need to finish that, do I?
> > >
> > > I came back from Pennsic determined to up the *good* in this List and
> > > hopefully convince people to join in - to celebrate the SCA and
Atlantia.
> To
> > > overwhelm the squabbling and the offensive posts.
> > >
> > > That being said, if you wish to argue the point further with me, please
> > > reply to me at online2much at cox.net - I'll be happy to carry on the
> > > conversation there. But our newcomers, and our oldtimers who are ready
to
> > > quit, really don't need to read more of the condescending and the
>
justifying
> > > posturing messages.
> > >
> > > We have a bad reputation here. Telling people "use your delete key"
only
> > > indicates that the sender has no desire to fix that reputation - which
> > > indicates to me that they are quite happy to throw mud around, no
matter
> > > where or who it splatters. And that, my friends, is unworthy of us.
> > >
> > >
> > > Hrothny
> > >
> > >
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