[MR] A random heraldic question

[Guenievre de Monmarche]

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 5:03 PM, Evan da Collaureo <evan at scadian.net> wrote:

> Scripsit Santiago Ruiz de Zaragoza:
> >  This question crosses two of my interests: heraldry and the
> > webministry. Here's the question: is it possible to have an augmentation
> > of arms without an award of arms? I can't imagine why any monarch would
> > want to do it in that order, but there are a great many things in this
> > world I don't understand.
> >
> > I ask this mostly for the purpose of listing personal awards by
> > precedence. My understanding of an augmentation of arms is that it would
> > be non-armigerous, but it would seem to presuppose at least an award of
> > arms.
>
> From the standpoint of how the list of precedence is set up, it is
> certainly possible to set it up such that an augmentation of arms does
> not require an award/grant/patent of arms as a prerequisite. To some
> extent that would actually be simpler, and if memory serves correctly
> that is indeed the way the Atlantian list is done.
>
> One certainly could set it up such that there was a prerequisite of
> "AoA or higher" before an augmentation could be done, but I don't think
> we actually *have* set it up that way.
>
> I can imagine scenarios where Their Majesties would give out an
> augmentation of arms to a non-armiger without also giving that gentle
> at least an Award of Arms; they generally involve the giving out of
> augmentations to each member of a large group of people, such as was done
> at Pennsic last month. Usually there just isn't *time* to go through
> each gentle's record in such circumstances.
>
> I hope this has helped bring more order (as opposed to more chaos) to
> your thoughts on this topic. I remain yours in service,
>
> Evan da Collaureo
> Sackbut Herald


I can think of at least one gentle who this is in fact the case for; I'm
sure there are more.

Guenièvre