[MR] Promissory

Tue Oct 19 14:08:03 PDT 2010

Praytell, fair folk, what is a Promissory?  I've gathered it's a document of 
some kind, but what does it mean?

Tymothe

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From: Jane Sellers <sinebee at triad.rr.com>
To: Alexandria Stratton <kyrilex at yahoo.com>; atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 7:03:27 AM
Subject: Re: [MR] Promissory

Lady Eleanor of Grey has a CD of her original art work that she will gladly
hand out to be used as promissory.  
Sine
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[mailto:atlantia-bounces at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org] On Behalf Of Alexandria
Stratton
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 1:18 AM
To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Subject: Re: [MR] Promissories

Once upon a time in a kingdom not so far away, for years it was a rarity to
see 
a real scroll. You had to be really special and getting a huge award if you
were 
to get a real scroll. Everything else was photocopied black & white, and
then 
hand-painted (markers, watercolor, etc). 
For a promissory, I don't see a big issue with photocopied & hand-colored 
scrolls. They're quick & easy, you could have a few varying designs handy,
and 
coloring in is not rocket science. Something nicer than Dover patterns would
be 
better appreciated though, I think. I wonder if we have some illuminators
out 
there that would be willing to create templates?
-- Isabelle LaFar
http://www.HouseBarra.com
Experience is what you get, when things go awry.

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From: Lora Franks <zombiellama at att.net>
To: atlantia at seahorse.atlantia.sca.org
Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 1:06:47 AM
Subject: Re: [MR] Was: Newcomers Thread, Now: Promissories

Greetings all!
There is actually a need still for promissories.  While it is awesome to
have 
completed scrolls, it is sometimes not the best option.  We are moving away
from 
giving scrolls at war.  People are not prepared to transport them safely
home.  
Considering the many hours of work that goes into even the simplest of
scrolls, 
we do not want them destroyed.  Also, there are occasions when there is a
last 
minute recommendation to Their Majesties (or a planned award that the person

unexpectedly showed for this event) and a promissory is all the scribes have

time to create.  There are also times when we know that the person receiving
the 
scroll would prefer a specific scribe do the scroll or they want to wait
until 
their arms have passed (no longer a requirement but frequently a choice).
And, 
it is a good draw for new scribes at events because it is not as
intimidating.
However, we moved away from promissories for two main reasons.  One was that

people were starting to put as much time and effort into a promissory as
they 
could have put into a finished scrolls.  If you are going to take the time
to do 
calligraphy and hand paint the promissory...make a scroll.  Another factor
was 
that with so much effort going into promissories, the backlog was getting
huge.
If someone wants to pick up and make some promissories, I'm sure that we
will 
have the opportunity to use them.  There are even still templates on the
Clerk 
Signet web site.  I would like to add a couple of requests if you chose to
make 
promissories for the Kingdom though.
Please use a nice marker or paint and avoid colored pencils or crayon.  Do
not 
spend as much time on them as a finished scroll, however, keep in mind that
many 
people frame their promissory and their finished scroll.  Please add a note
on 
the back in pencil which reads "Please contact the Clerk Signet at Signet AT

Atlantia Dot SCA DoT Org to replace this promissory with a scroll."  (you
can 
use the @ symbols on the scroll)
If you are considering presenting some to Their Majesties, please show them
the 
promissories but present them with a notice that you/your group has given X 
number of promissory blanks to the Clerk Signet and then mail or give the 
promissories to me for organizing and distributing to lead scribes and Their

Majesties.
Now, before you go wild making tons of promissories...my goal is to only
ever 
need 1 or 2 promissories at any given event and have the rest as finished 
scrolls.  Take a look at the Royal Progress events and realize that we will
not 
need a large number of promissories.  We _will_ need a large number of
scrolls.  
If your group makes 40 promissories for King Bryan and Queen Brianna, we may

reach the end of the reign without using them and those extras would go to 
waste.
On that note, while everyone is talking about ways to connect with people at

events and promissories were/are an option, I would also like to suggest
that 
hand made Thank You cards are an excellent item for gift baskets at all
levels 
(for class instructors, Baronial gift baskets, autocrat supplies, etc.)  You

could do a small design which is easily finished at the event and have
something 
that is a contribution to the Barony or Kingdom.  If you make them with 
scroll-like designs you will also help get the new scribe's feet wet that
way.  
It is also a fantastic place to practice calligraphy so that you can make
some 
scroll blanks later....just an idea.

Baroness Tegan de Moreton
Undine Pursuivant
Clerk of the Signet

On 10/18/2010 12:03 PM, ldmolly at md.metrocast.net wrote:
> Hi Hrothny! And greetings to the others still gathered in the Tavern as
well!
> 
> We used to have those in Caid as well...I _loved_ them! We did a lot of 
>Newcomer scrolls that way. It was a great way to bring folks together,
provide 
>service to the group as a whole...and for many future scribes, it was a
great, 
>non-threatening way to "get their feet wet" at trying scribal arts. We went

>through a lot of crayola markers, but as you said, a great many friends
were 
>made and for many people, those first scrolls were dearly treasured.Molly
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun 10/17/10 2:57 PM , "Terri Morgan" online2much at cox.net sent:
> I wish we had something like the old promissory 'scrolls' to have at
events.
> <SNIP>
> 
> Hrothny

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