[MR] [AtlantianHeralds] A question of Protocol regarding toasts

[Cian Conor MacQuaid]

The Authority of the Baronage derives directly from the Crown and is
tied to a specific Barony. Outside that Barony they fall to the position
you have so exhaustively documented, but within their granted demesne
they rank immediately behind the Crown.

The Heirs have only future authority, and none to act on their own
behalf. This does not account for the fact that they are generally
granted deference due their impending elevation, but still no actual
authority.

None of the other lists account for the difference between in or out of
their Barony, as Corpora does, and they are therefore an incomplete
accounting. Corpora wins, in any case.

Cian

On 5/13/2010 9:40 AM, logan wrote:
> then why does the assumed rank of a landed baron/ess end when they cross
> into the zip code of another barony?  why does the landed baron/ess follow
> the heirs who follow the crown when in procession?  surely a ceremonial head
> of a sub group doesnt outrank the heirs apparent of the kingdom.  serving as
> a landed baron/ess is recognized by a grant of arms, not a patent which is
> bestowed upon those that have served as royalty.  this would also indicate
> some placement, by rank, of the two.  and, it certainly wasnt that way
> historically either.  here is just one example....  this, from the book of
> kervynge in 1508 on serving by rank, which puts the head(s) of the church
> above all other estates puts a baron pretty far down the list: